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#1 User is offline   CHARL13 

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 11:50 PM

Once again I'm calling upon the experience of others to help answer this question. A few months ago after a particularly spirited drive I parked up only to hear this noise.

I took it to Guglielmi to have a listen and he didn't seem to concerned and said that a lot of these cars make this noise. Steve’s a top bloke and I don't disbelieve him but wondered if anyone else’s sounds like this? VX paranoia setting in once again.

Anyone recognise it?
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:21 AM

Have you checked your gear box oil ?
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:26 AM

Yeh Steve changed the gearbox oil as it transpired that it had automatic gearbox oil in it. It hasn't made a difference though :(
Could driving it hard with automatic gearbox oil have damaged it?
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 06:05 PM

The other thing mentioned was the input shaft bearing.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:52 AM

Hi, I'm not sure if these cars have a conventional clutch set up but this sounds like a worn clutch release bearing to me. Typically they rattle but go quiet when pressed into action against the clutch plate.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:00 AM

View PostCHARL13, on 09 February 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

Yeh Steve changed the gearbox oil as it transpired that it had automatic gearbox oil in it. It hasn't made a difference though :(
Could driving it hard with automatic gearbox oil have damaged it?

:o Automatic gearbox oil in a manual? I'm really sorry to say this as it will probably worry you, but some years ago I had a 405 GTXi which I used to drive fairly aggressively. Until the gearbox exploded. One of the diff gear pins snapped and the diff gear shot through the bell housing, through the gear box and out the other side. It turns out that it had automatic gear box oil in it too. The place where I took it for repairs told me the automatic gearbox fluid provides about as much protection as milk :(
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 02:12 PM

View Postpongle, on 27 February 2010 - 08:52 AM, said:

Hi, I'm not sure if these cars have a conventional clutch set up but this sounds like a worn clutch release bearing to me. Typically they rattle but go quiet when pressed into action against the clutch plate.

steve


I had originally thought this but the idea got poo poo'd.

View Postturbobob, on 27 February 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

The place where I took it for repairs told me the automatic gearbox fluid provides about as much protection as milk :(


Oh dear, at least it has proper oil in it now so it will hopefully lessen any potential further damage. I was planning on trying and remove the gearbox myself and take it to a specialist to overhaul in the summer. With my novice mechanics skills I might have to bite the bullet and pay a garage to do it.

The other possible culprit is one of the shaft bearings. It's funny how it only does it when the car is warm though.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:12 AM

View PostCHARL13, on 08 February 2010 - 11:50 PM, said:

Once again I'm calling upon the experience of others to help answer this question...Anyone recognise it?

Of course (only too happy to help)..that's 'Dave'...

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:18 AM

As it definatly clutch/gearbox related you'll be best getting the box off to have a look. I neccessary the gearboxes usually come up for around £100-£150 so you could get one and have it on stand by incase it is your box
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 12:33 PM

View Posticeman, on 28 February 2010 - 04:12 AM, said:

that's 'Dave'...


Is Dave the gnome who I suspect lives in my engine bay with his trusty hammer?
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:24 PM

View PostCHARL13, on 28 February 2010 - 12:33 PM, said:

View Posticeman, on 28 February 2010 - 04:12 AM, said:

that's 'Dave'...


Is Dave the gnome who I suspect lives in my engine bay with his trusty hammer?



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Posted 08 March 2010 - 06:36 PM

I noticed something on the way home today, the noise goes away if you rev it to 1000rpm. It had been mentioned that mine has been idling a little lower, around 850 - 900 rpm. What rpm does anyone else idle at?
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:59 PM

View PostCHARL13, on 08 March 2010 - 06:36 PM, said:

I noticed something on the way home today, the noise goes away if you rev it to 1000rpm. It had been mentioned that mine has been idling a little lower, around 850 - 900 rpm. What rpm does anyone else idle at?

Have you tested the clutch release bearing theory earlier in the thread? As this is the most likely source of your noise.
Just try slowly depressing the clutch pedal to see when or if the noise stops/changes.
The pink auto oil in your box is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about.
Vauxhall use it in all their fwd boxes.
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:58 AM

View PostCHARL13, on 08 March 2010 - 06:36 PM, said:

I noticed something on the way home today, the noise goes away if you rev it to 1000rpm. It had been mentioned that mine has been idling a little lower, around 850 - 900 rpm. What rpm does anyone else idle at?

Mine is 800rpm, but that's irrelevant because it's a turbo :rolleyes: . Did you get anyone to drive yours on Saturday in the end?
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 10:50 PM

View Postsoupdragon, on 08 March 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

Have you tested the clutch release bearing theory earlier in the thread? As this is the most likely source of your noise.
Just try slowly depressing the clutch pedal to see when or if the noise stops/changes.
The pink auto oil in your box is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about.
Vauxhall use it in all their fwd boxes.

The noise stops at the bite point.

View Postspuk87, on 09 March 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Mine is 800rpm, but that's irrelevant because it's a turbo :rolleyes: . Did you get anyone to drive yours on Saturday in the end?

No the gear change was fine on the way to the pub so it must have just been the cold. Although if I'd been on the ball I could have asked Andy and Lyndon to have a listen to this noise and see if they recognise it. Andy must have been through his fair share of clutches and gearboxes! I'm going to take it to a transmission specialist this week and get them to have a look. Fingers crossed I won't have to drop my trousers thumbsup

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:27 AM

It sounds like the clutch release bearing to me too (50% chance approx). They are approx £120 for a new one, the main cost is taking the box off to replace it - approx £400 of labour. I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you badly need the car to be 100% reliable. It may well continue working on for ages like that. I know this as my new release bearing has made a slight whirring sound (which the last one didnt!) from the day it was installed and I know for a fact that it is 100% ok and functions fine.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:03 PM

Right I'm back from the garage. It's definatly a gearbox bearing. Soup Dragon was right, auto oil is fine and is probably why cold shifting is difficult (as it now has manual oil). I'm currently awaiting the qoute which I can only assume will be massive.

Cheers for all the advice guys chinky chinky
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