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[Seb.F]

With so little weight how do they do top speed, bet its scary? What are they like on corners compared to a Evo?

With a good geo, high speeds feel great, I was quite comfortable at 100+ round rockingham. My friend's Evo 8 was beaten by myself as well, that was in the dry. The evo would do better in the wet.

[Seb.F]

So the VX doesnt keep the power up after 75MPHish? Because of weight?

It needs the 6 speed gearbox with the supercharger to be honest.

[JG]

Are we really having this conversation? Maybe the answer should be: Sick. Apparently thats the 'in' word with the kids these days?

[SteveA]

Cheers lads. Im from Morpeth, 15 minutes from Newcastle. Yeah my VXR is fast, 0 - 60 in 5.6 seconds

How did you measure this?

I use a Racelogic box for logging lap times etc.

I'm rubbish at launch starts but have recorded a 0 - 60 sprint in 4.5 seconds in my 240bhp VXT.

[Seb.F]

Are we really having this conversation?

Maybe the answer should be:

Sick. Apparently thats the 'in' word with the kids these days?

Possibly

I'm just answering questions in between work so not really paying much attention to the direction of the discussion!

EDIT: Your VXR is only just a fraction of a second quicker than the standard 2.2 VX to 60...
But again, you really, really won't be concerned with speed when you drive these cars, it's how they feel and corner that will make you smile. It's not like you can even use the speed on UK roads anyway...

VX's look faster than Astra's anyway. My view is that, you can tell which cars are quick, by the LOWEST spec in their range, for instance the 2.2 can do 60 in about 5.8 (well, that was my best time anyway).

[astravxr]

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Maybe the answer should be:

Sick. Apparently thats the 'in' word with the kids these days?

Im no kid mate, im just learning about the VX220. I've always wanted one but i havent a clue about them, i just dont want to be buying something that is slower than i have thats all. Im a speed freak but far from a boy racer

[SteveA]

What are they like on corners compared to a Evo?

No contest

[garyk220]

I was in Nicol's car (stage4) at knockhill (before the map was sorted out) and we were neck and neck with an extremely well driven GT3 up the straight. Neither pulling away from the other.

Same here in a Stage 2. Been on track with a few 360 and F430 Ferraris at Knockhill and found the same thing. All over them in the braking areas but absolutely nothing in it on both straights up to about 110 mph. Beyond that speed the extra horsepower and better aerodynamics come in to play and these cars will start to pull away. At Hockenheim a couple of Porsche 996 turbos were about 10 mph faster on the straight (155 mph v 145 mph).

Straight line speed is not a problem on a smooth cricuit, but doing 155ish on a bumpy deristricted section of motorway on the way down to Hockenheim got a little bit hairy. You could feel the air trying to get under the front of car as it bounced on the bumps. Nothing a decent splitter wouldn't sort though.

[techieboy]

What are they like on corners compared to a Evo?

Seriously? Just buy an Evo, stick a 6" tailpipe on it and map the fcuk out of it.

[Seb.F]

Seriously? Just buy an Evo, stick a 6" tailpipe on it and map the fcuk out of it.

Sounds like a good shout tbh, if you are only really concerned with straight line speed. These cars are not really for 'those' sort of people, I think the others are trying to say.

[The Batman]

So the VX doesnt keep the power up after 75MPHish? Because of weight?

It needs the 6 speed gearbox with the supercharger to be honest.

bollocks

anyway if i was you i would buy a moddified vxt as you will no doubt get bored and modify it anyway so better off having someone else swallow the cost than yourself

as said a vxt is always going to corner better than the vxr astra and will also do alot better on track but speed wise round the roads of england i suspect a astra vxr running 300bhp will keep up with a standard vxt to be honest wouldnt with a stage 2 vxt though if you want the quicker acceleration then fit a 4.17 box which will be on par with a 6 speed box except you wont have a cruiser gear.

if its for road then stage 2 tubby, for track then stage 2 sc imo

[astravxr]

Seriously? Just buy an Evo, stick a 6" tailpipe on it and map the fcuk out of it.

Sounds like a good shout tbh, if you are only really concerned with straight line speed. These cars are not really for 'those' sort of people, I think the others are trying to say.

Very welcoming eh Im not a track person and like i said before im not a boy racer but striaght line speed is more for me even though i like to give it the odd blast on a country road now and then. Im just trying to find out weather a VX220 stage 2 + would be faster than my VXR after 80mph

[Seb.F]

bollocks

You know what one of my first mods outside of the engine itself will be though lmao, once I get hold of a car I want to keep.

P.S. It was also a little hint at techie

[The Batman]

so 2k upgrade just for better acceleration and a cruising gear, when a 4.17 can be done for £100 which is the same jsut without a cruising gear. fair enough my first ungrade would be the brake pads and engine edit - man scotland has madebe grumpy/cranky today

Edited by joe_589, 16 May 2011 - 01:21 PM.

[techieboy]

P.S. It was also a little hint at techie

Not me. I'm looking for a 7-speed DSG box. It looks like I'll never master H&T'ing so might as well let the technology help me.

[LY_Scott]

edit - man scotland has madebe grumpy/cranky today

[Seb.F]

so 2k upgrade just for better acceleration and a cruising gear, when a 4.17 can be done for £100 which is the same jsut without a cruising gear.

fair enough my first ungrade would be the brake pads and engine

edit - man the scottish have made me grumpy/cranky today

Edited for you.

Personally, I have no plans at the moment for a project. There will be one at some point though.

[JG]

Are we really having this conversation?

Maybe the answer should be:

Sick. Apparently thats the 'in' word with the kids these days?

Im no kid mate, im just learning about the VX220. I've always wanted one but i havent a clue about them, i just dont want to be buying something that is slower than i have thats all. Im a speed freak but far from a boy racer

But you're trying to compare apples with oranges. Whats the point?

The truth is, the VX probably isn't for you. yes, they can be made to accelerate fast and probably go on to high top speeds. But once again you've missed the point. VXs are noisy, tiresome, fragile, uncomfortable and compromised.

If you like to have races with your friends, then you will most likely lose most of the time in a VX. VXs are sensitive to weather and temperature conditions and they are quite tricky to drive at the limit. It sounds to me like you want something in which when you put you foot on the accelerator as far as it will just go, the car picks up and pushes you down the road as quickly as possible. That's fine, its not my thing, but i suspect you'd be better off looking as something four wheel drive with lots of power. A subaru impreza or the evo you mention in your post.

Is a vx faster than an evo? how are you measuring it? the evo will be much much faster in virtually every condition.

The delight comes in making the VX dance. Away from the camera and the supidity that is racing on the road or measuring the car length difference against another hatchback, this is where the VX comes alive. You don't need other cars around you to make comparisions with, its just you and the machine. It gels around you, almost becomes part of you. The controls are so sensitive you can almost think them into doing what you want. wheras the astra is an appliance no more exciting that a washing machine, the VX has soul. Slowly, you learn to decipher its complex messages, and each time you get slightly better at it. You grow with it, while it guides you into bettering yourself if you are prepared to respect it. Get it right and it is utterly delightful.

It isn't fast though.

[LY_Scott]

Beautifully put Mr. Gray

[Seb.F]

The delight comes in making the VX dance. Away from the camera and the supidity that is racing on the road or measuring the car length difference against another hatchback, this is where the VX comes alive. You don't need other cars around you to make comparisions with, its just you and the machine. It gels around you, almost becomes part of you. The controls are so sensitive you can almost think them into doing what you want. wheras the astra is an appliance no more exciting that a waching machine, the VX has soul. Slowly, you learn to desipher its complex messages, and each time you get slightly better at it. You grow with it, while it guides you into bettering yourself if you are prepared to respect it. Get it right and it is utterly delightful.

That's most definately the best way of describing it yes. Especially from having other, turbo, 4wd cars, you can definately feel how numb and unresponsive most cars are, all the "hot" hatches, executive sports cars etc.