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[piwo]

bought lotus driver 6012. completely different car. as the day to the night. on the bumpy road  the orginal abs driver pumped the pedal upwards and forgave braking. here feel like the driver  locks once  left front next right front wheel. ideal.

[piwo]

ok so daewoo matiz 4 chanell abs controler (s108196010 c) work too. not perfect but better then orginal vx220 abs. no problems with check abs lamp. Replacement is as simple as with a lotus controller. ebay price is 

about 20 pounds.

https://4.allegroimg...1a6859d882cbb84

[vocky]

Daewoo abs controller is £50 on ebay http://www.ebay.co.u...NMAAOSwls5Y60Xb

[hairy]

ok so daewoo matiz 4 chanell abs controler (s108196010 c) work too. not perfect but better then orginal vx220 abs. no problems with check abs lamp. Replacement is as simple as with a lotus controller. ebay price is 

about 20 pounds.

https://4.allegroimg...1a6859d882cbb84

 

Does it need a re-program like the lotus one?

[piwo]

No. Work immediately. My friend will do some tests and comparison with oryginal ABS on track in the near future.

Edited by piwo, 08 August 2017 - 05:19 PM.

[ChrisS1]

ok so daewoo matiz 4 chanell abs controler (s108196010 c) work too. not perfect but better then orginal vx220 abs. no problems with check abs lamp. Replacement is as simple as with a lotus controller. ebay price is  about 20 pounds. https://4.allegroimg...1a6859d882cbb84

  Does it need a re-program like the lotus one?

Lotus one doesn't need 're-programming'. If you buy a brand new one it needs activating. If you buy a used one it is already activated so just plug in and away you go.

[Doctor Ed]

ebay guy folded on price on the ABS block ill put it in and see what happens eh!

[VincentL]

Any comparison done between the matiz and lotus one?

[Doctor Ed]

Guy I know in Germany is comparing them in the next few days

[VincentL]

Excellent, keep us updated!

[Mopeytitan]

Is the Exige V6 abs pump 4 channel?

Edited by Mopeytitan, 20 August 2017 - 10:27 AM.

[Arno]

V6 Exige and any other Elise after 2011 is likely a BOSCH ABS system.

 

Bits off of those are likely not compatible with the Kelsey-Hayes ABS system used on the VX and earlier (2004-2010) Elises. (eg. wheel sensors, hydraulic units, etc.)

 

It's more advanced though. BOSCH basically sells the 'unlocked' version of these units as the Motorsport ABS system separately. Eye-wateringly expensive though

 

Bye, Arno.

[Doctor Ed]

so... direct swap eh...

either the daewoo wiring loom has the FR + RR wheel speed sensor inputs swapped at the ABS plug, or the control solenoids/outputs/brake lines are swapped (compared to the Lotus ABS unit).

so which is it? anyone have a Matiz wiring diagram with the pinouts of the ECU control unit?

[Mopeytitan]

V6 Exige and any other Elise after 2011 is likely a BOSCH ABS system.   Bits off of those are likely not compatible with the Kelsey-Hayes ABS system used on the VX and earlier (2004-2010) Elises. (eg. wheel sensors, hydraulic units, etc.)   It's more advanced though. BOSCH basically sells the 'unlocked' version of these units as the Motorsport ABS system separately. Eye-wateringly expensive though   Bye, Arno.

So if I have Exige V6 rear wheel sensors would I need the Exige abs pump or will the vx read them fine?

[Arno]

If you are using the original V6 rear Toyota hubs then you will likely also need the matching V6 front hubs (which are basically the same as the VX but off of later vauxhall models with different type of ABS sensor) and the complete V6 ABS unit (hydraulic + electronic  complete)

 

Edit: you will find that the connectors on the wires coming from the hubs are also a different style on the later Elises.

 

The BOSCH ABS hub sensors on the 2011 and onward elises are hall-effect sensors (although 2 wire..)  while the earlier VX ones are inductive and they are not compatible with eachother. Vauxhall/Opel started using these on their cars somewhere late 2006 or so..

 

Potential problem area when replacing the original VX ABS units with the later Elise BOSCH units is that the later Elises have gone to a CAN based wiring setup so I'm not sure if the BOSCH ABS unit still provides a separate speed pulse or if it's only sending this data across CAN. If it's not sending any speed pulse then so it may need a little extra CAN to speed pulse converter box to interface with the VX dash and ECU.

 

Basically you either have to use all the 'old' wheel/hub components and keep the same VX or early Elise ABS unit or use all 'new' components and use the matching V6 ABS unit.

 

Bye, Arno.

Edited by Arno, 20 August 2017 - 08:01 PM.

[Mopeytitan]

If you are using the original V6 rear Toyota hubs then you will likely also need the matching V6 front hubs (which are basically the same as the VX but off of later vauxhall models with different type of ABS sensor) and the complete V6 ABS unit (hydraulic + electronic  complete)   Edit: you will find that the connectors on the wires coming from the hubs are also a different style on the later Elises.   The BOSCH ABS hub sensors on the 2011 and onward elises are hall-effect sensors (although 2 wire..)  while the earlier VX ones are inductive and they are not compatible with eachother. Vauxhall/Opel started using these on their cars somewhere late 2006 or so..   Potential problem area when replacing the original VX ABS units with the later Elise BOSCH units is that the later Elises have gone to a CAN based wiring setup so I'm not sure if the BOSCH ABS unit still provides a separate speed pulse or if it's only sending this data across CAN. If it's not sending any speed pulse then so it may need a little extra CAN to speed pulse converter box to interface with the VX dash and ECU.   Basically you either have to use all the 'old' wheel/hub components and keep the same VX or early Elise ABS unit or use all 'new' components and use the matching V6 ABS unit.   Bye, Arno.

. Ok thanks. I have all V6 hubs so will get the abs unit. If going to the LCD screen would I still need the converter box? Sorry for all the questions Al

[Doctor Ed]

well, ill answer my own question Matiz pinout/wiring diagram here: http://www.autocats....M2_5_25.en.html vs VX220 pinout/wiring diagram here: https://www.speedste...el-Vauxhall.pdf now dont let the different numbering of the plug pins confuse you (as they did me), and youll see the Matiz uses a COMPLETELY different pin assignment for the wheel sensors. i wont list them as its futile, but a quick look at the diagrams and youll see what i mean. the ECUs are 1 model number different, so hard to fathom that they are completly and utterly different, but wow, the wiring diagrams sure have them hooked up differently. theres a lot of unused pins, so maybe itll take a variety of inputs utilising different pin combinations, but be fcuked if im human trialing an ABS system swap with this many differences. (and even then, the ambiguity with the different brake line outputs isnt resolved) so, im putting the VX ABS back in, and will wait for someone else to human fireball this swap i think

[Arno]

Ok thanks. I have all V6 hubs so will get the abs unit. If going to the LCD screen would I still need the converter box? Sorry for all the questions Al

  The LCD dash should be happy with a direct CAN connection.   The ECU may still want the speed signal pulse.   But that's not too hard to (re)generate. Eg: http://www.co-star.c...-interface.html Still.. You'd want to investigate the V6 ABS unit first (probably with some V6 Elise schematics) to see if it's sending out a speed pulse or not. It may still do so for radio's and such so you could (ab)use that   Bye, Arno.

[piwo]

well, ill answer my own question Matiz pinout/wiring diagram here: http://www.autocats....M2_5_25.en.html vs VX220 pinout/wiring diagram here: https://www.speedste...el-Vauxhall.pdf now dont let the different numbering of the plug pins confuse you (as they did me), and youll see the Matiz uses a COMPLETELY different pin assignment for the wheel sensors. i wont list them as its futile, but a quick look at the diagrams and youll see what i mean. the ECUs are 1 model number different, so hard to fathom that they are completly and utterly different, but wow, the wiring diagrams sure have them hooked up differently. theres a lot of unused pins, so maybe itll take a variety of inputs utilising different pin combinations, but be fcuked if im human trialing an ABS system swap with this many differences. (and even then, the ambiguity with the different brake line outputs isnt resolved) so, im putting the VX ABS back in, and will wait for someone else to human fireball this swap i think

it can't be true. my friend driving with this daewoo abs controler and it works better then standard. mayby daewoo has many different abs and this instruction is one of them,

[miscia]

 

well, ill answer my own question Matiz pinout/wiring diagram here: http://www.autocats....M2_5_25.en.html vs VX220 pinout/wiring diagram here: https://www.speedste...el-Vauxhall.pdf now dont let the different numbering of the plug pins confuse you (as they did me), and youll see the Matiz uses a COMPLETELY different pin assignment for the wheel sensors. i wont list them as its futile, but a quick look at the diagrams and youll see what i mean. the ECUs are 1 model number different, so hard to fathom that they are completly and utterly different, but wow, the wiring diagrams sure have them hooked up differently. theres a lot of unused pins, so maybe itll take a variety of inputs utilising different pin combinations, but be fcuked if im human trialing an ABS system swap with this many differences. (and even then, the ambiguity with the different brake line outputs isnt resolved) so, im putting the VX ABS back in, and will wait for someone else to human fireball this swap i think

it can't be true. my friend driving with this daewoo abs controler and it works better then standard. mayby daewoo has many different abs and this instruction is one of them,

 

 

Or maybe it's not working and that's why it seems better!