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[JimmyJamJerusalem]

they have cottoned on to some 'insider info' with their super soft setups.

It isn't insider, its out there. And they are right, it just isn't suited to your very narrow and specialist preference/requirement.

I think you've totally ignored what I said about NTR's on 450/600's there mate. My requirement is different hence the 46mm Race shocks but I wasn't talking about my requirement, I was talking about how old my VXR had offer everyday punters more versatility than the CF setup. No offence but I think people are seduced by smoke and lights when they go for the CF setup and have only really ended up with a system that is very comfortable but easily out performed in every environmnet.

Also James - please explain how they are right? I've driven cars on this setup as has Cliffie and I find them waaaay off pace! Are we intentionally driving these cars slower...?

Mike - I think you miss read my post too. I agree that Mono's are more comparable with the NTR range of Nitron's NOT NSS. I think that is worse for the mono's though as the NTR's are probably the most highly praised shock in VX land. I cannot comment on warranties as I've never had products come back. Never heard of it either. i am glad Gaz do extend their warranry though as people need them to do so!!

[JG]

I was a bit bored of the black is black and white is white in this thread so decided to follow your lead My first post in this thread was a fairly balanced post, but since you won't see anyone else's view i thought i'd play the same game. I have also driven 450/600 spring rate cars are found them too compromised for the road. So who is right Jimmy? The truth is neither of us, because we all have a personal opinion and some of us are also biased. You sell Nitrons, so you view is biased, you can say the same for Mike and you can say the same for me. We all believe every word of what we say, but we cannot be called independant. The great thing about the shock market for the VX is that there is something for everyone. From £300 to £3000. I let people (i trust) drive my car as do you and i would urge anyone thinking about spending proper money to have a go first. its very much a personal thing. You might call it a shade of grey.

[JG]

Also James - please explain how they are right? I've driven cars on this setup as has Cliffie and I find them waaaay off pace! Are we intentionally driving these cars slower...?

This is also where you are missing the point. You cannot get your mind around the fact that we aren't all chasing pace. We are chasing the most pleasurable car to drive on the road and on track. very different, and why we will always disagree on this point. I do like having an argument about it with you though . If nothing else it winds you up

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Neither JG or me have mis-read your post Jim. Your opinion all the way through this thread has been Nitrons are better than Gaz period. The points JG and me are making is we don't all want a purely track focussed race car and not everybody has Nitron budgets. As I said, I liked JG's car but it was too soft the me and the way I drive on track. For JG, his needs for the road and the way he drives on track it is perfect. My VX did 500 miles a week on road and maybe 250 miles a year on track. My set up suited me as well. What is it they say; Horses for Courses.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

BTW, I am not discussing whether the Cornering Force ideas are great for track, that is a different debate I will not get drawn into. All I say is it isn't right for me but suits SteveA and JG, just not me thanks.

[Nev]

If I can come to the National this year (even if Nipper is too noisy to actually drive on track), it would be great if I could try out a few other cars with various setups. I have Nitron-1-ways on Nipper, but no way of knowing/comparing them to anything else, as I've never driven another VX yet. It's hard for me to know what sort of setup I have to be honest, am im not even sure of my spring ratings!

[JG]

Remember though that we specified our requirements to CF. It would be interesting to see what they did, if someone like Jimmy went to them and said i want a hardcore track car. I suspect many would be suprised. But thats another story.

[FLD]

If I can come to the National this year (even if Nipper is too noisy to actually drive on track), it would be great if I could try out a few other cars with various setups. I have Nitron-1-ways on Nipper, but no way of knowing/comparing them to anything else, as I've never driven another VX yet. It's hard for me to know what sort of setup I have to be honest, am im not even sure of my spring ratings!

You're welcome to a drive of mine at anypoint. Either at the national or just knock on my door if you're out my way. I'm on Gaz gold pro's.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

It's hard for me to know what sort of setup I have to be honest, am im not even sure of my spring ratings!

And this man is trying to get how much power down..?

Make it Stop
Make it Handle
Make it Go

Edited by Cliffie, 08 November 2011 - 02:13 PM.

[Nev]

It's hard for me to know what sort of setup I have to be honest, am im not even sure of my spring ratings!

And this man is trying to get how much power down..?

Make it Stop
Make it Handle
Make it Go

If it's any consellation, I think the Nitrons were supplied and fitted by Courtenays by the previous owner. I know I must have quite a bit of camber on the fronts too, as the tyres wear loads more on the inside (approx 2mm more at the end of their life). The rear tyres wear very evenly.

Thanks for the offer FLD, I might well take you up on it. It's about time I had some reference points on how other cars handle, so I can judge mine better.

Edited by Nev, 08 November 2011 - 02:54 PM.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Also James - please explain how they are right? I've driven cars on this setup as has Cliffie and I find them waaaay off pace! Are we intentionally driving these cars slower...?

This is also where you are missing the point. You cannot get your mind around the fact that we aren't all chasing pace. We are chasing the most pleasurable car to drive on the road and on track. very different, and why we will always disagree on this point. I do like having an argument about it with you though . If nothing else it winds you up

Please, you're too cudldly to wind me up regardless of your backhanded insults.... As I said a few posts back, I'm not raging with people and starting fights Im putting my opinion and findings forward for people to heed or ignore.

The fact is people spen £xxxx to make their car quicker. End of. You decided to compramise pace for comfort, which is your call, but there are others who went CF as they believed it to be the quickest setup on track (which it isnt).

I urge anyone to come out in my car and you will see what I mean

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Next time somebody has a failed Gaz unit, can we please just copy and paste the thread, it will save me loads of time.

Edited by Cliffie, 08 November 2011 - 03:07 PM.

[Firthy]

This is absolutely hilarious to read.... JG - Text book wind up loved it... Fact of the matter is all these shocks are at very different price points... Also when modifying a car a lot of people put the following preferences in different orders (and what they are willing to spend on them) Handling Damping Looks (just want it slammed on 16" fronts etc) Power Pure track car..... Road car Depending on your budget and where all of these preferences sit with their priority to you... will depend on what shocks you choose!!

Edited by Firthy, 08 November 2011 - 03:23 PM.

[davemate]

The fact is people spen £xxxx to make their car quicker. End of. You decided to compramise pace for comfort, which is your call, but there are others who went CF as they believed it to be the quickest setup on track (which it isnt).

I urge anyone to come out in my car and you will see what I mean

I personally really like my CF set-up*. it suits my driving pace and style as well as the roads that i most regularly drive and the way that i use the car - of whcih i specified what i wanted and what i wanted to use the car for at the time of going for it. I wish i could have a track only car to stick on tow, in which case i would go down the hard core route of it being very low and reasonably stiff.

-my car was originally very low and very stiff on an ultra aggressive geo... i am personally saving a huge amount of tyre wear with this set, as i used to eat r888 before most of the tyre had scrubbed in. i feel that on average i have a greater amount of grip a greater amount of the time, i am very impressed how well it communicates what it is doing to me through the car. On track the R1R tyre wall is giving up before the grip of the car is, at whcih point my amount of skill also becomes a limiting factor

-I would enjoy a passenger lap though!



*some may say "i would do, i paid a lot of money for it"

[JG]

I removed a post and decided to PM Jimmy instead

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

well happy with my sach is there a war on here

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Neither JG or me have mis-read your post Jim.

Your opinion all the way through this thread has been Nitrons are better than Gaz period. The points JG and me are making is we don't all want a purely track focussed race car and not everybody has Nitron budgets.

I get that Mike, when I said you mis read my post it was when I agreed with you about NSS and you seemed to take it as an insult. My other point has not been Nitron are the best. More Gaz don't have a reliable enough reputation for me to feel comfortable investing nearly a grand in them. That's all I really eluded to.

The fact is people spen £xxxx to make their car quicker. End of. You decided to compramise pace for comfort, which is your call, but there are others who went CF as they believed it to be the quickest setup on track (which it isnt).

I urge anyone to come out in my car and you will see what I mean

I personally really like my CF set-up*. it suits my driving pace and style as well as the roads that i most regularly drive and the way that i use the car - of whcih i specified what i wanted and what i wanted to use the car for at the time of going for it. I wish i could have a track only car to stick on tow, in which case i would go down the hard core route of it being very low and reasonably stiff.

-my car was originally very low and very stiff on an ultra aggressive geo... i am personally saving a huge amount of tyre wear with this set, as i used to eat r888 before most of the tyre had scrubbed in. i feel that on average i have a greater amount of grip a greater amount of the time, i am very impressed how well it communicates what it is doing to me through the car. On track the R1R tyre wall is giving up before the grip of the car is, at whcih point my amount of skill also becomes a limiting factor

-I would enjoy a passenger lap though!



*some may say "i would do, i paid a lot of money for it"

I get you Dave, that's a post I can agree with. When I've discussed CF setups in the pub with guys who have CF it's always been the opinion that CF is a faster setup, which I've never agreed with. I never meant to go off topic quite so far but it's just gone that way eh..?

I removed a post and decided to PM Jimmy instead

I hardly think my wifes underwear is appropriate James



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Bull aside, I've not meant ot come across so bullish in this thread, truth is I've been busy working too and tapping away when I can grab 5 mions so my posts have been a little rushed and condensed. Apologies. I didn't mean to upset anyone, but I do like to debate points out (I know JG does too, as does Cliffie).

Lets all agree that we hope this is the last 'my Gaz's are leaking' thread AND that if a 'my Nitron's are leaking' thread pops up I'm DEAD!!!!

[snotvomit]

I know I have posted this on previous threads, but here's my experience: I bought my VXR a year ago with 6000 miles on the clock and Ohlins shocks. £2200 worth, if I remember correctly. Last March on the motorway going to my first track day in the VX (Cadwell Park), the car started banging at the rear passenger side. It became so severe that it would bounce the boot lid open whenever the car went over the slightest flaw in the road surface. I limped it home (no track day) and found that one of the shocks had failed and dumped all its oil. There was no corrosion on the shaft or anything. I replaced the shocks with Gaz Golds from Cliffie. In terms of how they feel, I can't tell any difference between the Gaz shocks and the Ohlins. I have done four track days this year. It's too early for me to comment on long-term reliability but they have been fine so far. The debate will rage on, I'm sure, but I must say that if I had started on Gaz Golds and then "upgraded" to the ultra-expensive Ohlins, I would feel very disappointed. I can get four sets of Gaz Golds (with springs) for the same price as one set of Ohlins. I've sent the Ohlins shocks off to be rebuilt/serviced. I don't know what I will do with them when I get them back - I might sell them if a .org member was interested or I might just keep them as backups in case the Gaz shocks need to be sent for repairs. I don't see any reason to put them back on the car unless the Gaz shocks need to come off. I don't have any experience with Nitrons, so can't comment on them.

[siztenboots]

even top of the range brands like Ohlins that came with the VXR220 can get it wrong

[JG]

I hardly think my wifes underwear is appropriate James

You promised you wouldn't tell anyone!

I promised not to tell people on here that were ordering the CF ARBs, so its not fair that mentioned the underwear!