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[Nev]

Has anyone had TC installed on their VX. If they have please could you let me know: 1. Who installed it. 2. How good it is, ie can you plant your foot round corners all the time or does it cut the ignition too much. Is it overly intrusive. Do the variable slip % actually make a big difference etc etc. 3. How much the kit + installation was. 4. Any other info. I know that Casten has fitted his own (and wrote an excelent installation guide) and swears by it, so I am keen to fit it in Nipper too. Lastly, I know that there are a lot of moderately powerful VXes out there what would benefit from this 'safety device'. If you are genuinely interested in having one fitted please say so, it might be that we could get a group buy + fitting done. Please be aware you are gonna need around £1k before you sign up for something and expect it to be a fiver. Thanks in advance. N + N.

[2deano5]

1. Me 2. Well you do notice the engine cutting when you plant your foot when you shouldn't but I would not say it was intrusive. And when set up correctly you can just plant your foot and it deals with it. The set up is key thou and it took me about a month on and off to get something I was happy with. I have the adjustable electronic slip add on so I can adjust it from 0 to 25% slip to off and yes it makes a big difference, at 0 there is no wheel spin, at 10% it will kick the back out but only so far before it kicks in and at 25% or off its full loon mode . 3. I brought it second hand off of fleebay for £461 with the digital adjuster. Fitting was free but took the weekend, I reckon I could do it in a day now thou 4. I would honestly for the road recommend it to anyone, it would stop a lot of the crashes caused by a heavy right foot in any conditions. I'm certain if mbes? had it fitted and turned on on the way up to the national this year his spin would not have happened. On track thou unless demonstrating to someone how good it is its always off In Summary for ROAD yes for TRACK DAY don't bother Deano

Edited by 2deano5, 16 December 2011 - 02:04 PM.

[jonnyboy]

Why do you need TC are you going to let the Mrs drive it or something?

[FLD]

Why do you need TC are you going to let the Mrs drive it or something?

With the power nipper has the throttle control has to be very fine or nipper will be going through hedges in reverse! With that sort of power its too easy to get out of shape. Nev is obviously old enough to be sensible!

[cs_]

Hi Nev, the RL TC is a must have for any VX with 400+ HP. I am very glad I did install it a year ago. Will have ~380 HP and Quaife LSD in 2012 and it is a great relief being able to let the TC control the slip on open roads for me if I just want to drive a bit. And it's a hell of a fun, allows much more dynamical driving than without. F.I. the acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h shrinked from 4.4 to 4.0 seconds with normal tyres. With semi slicks you easy get down to 3.6. Passing other cars with full throttle on rural roads with lots of trees near the asphalt is no problem at all, you just ignite the rocket and fly ahead. There is nothing I could say against mounting this system. Best add-on I did to my car. And I did a lot over the last years.

Edited by cs_, 16 December 2011 - 03:41 PM.

[mbes2]

I wouldn't of mind having it..... at the time.....my quickest 6 seconds might not of happened.... But now, just cut 10/20Mph depending the conditions... Lesson learnt...

[manus]

Yep, RL TC and the digital adjuster is on my car for a number of years now. Saved me on a number of occasions. Installation is not complicated but a lot of work (8 to 12 hours). The ABS signal level on the VXT is low causing signal noise at low speed but there is a well documented filter somewhere on the Internet that will help for lower speeds (<30MPH). Bought the first unit second-hand and it's really simple to program over the RS-232 I/F. Replaced it with a new unit during a wiring-cleanup-project to save some hours of workshop installation (the old one still worked perfect). One thing to keep in mind is that the ECU might detect a lot of misfires and switch the engine into saving modus, so you should turn the misfire detection off before going on track. Another hint is to have a hardware bypass ready (its in the documentation) in case there is a wiring problem from any of the (ABS) wheel sensors. (Or if you test the car on a 1-axle Dyno). Car has done 3.66sec to 100km/hr with semi's and 'only' 330hp's. If you set the TC limit high enough, you can even do burn-outs and still have the system working at higher speeds.

Edited by manus, 16 December 2011 - 11:04 PM.

[cs_]

Very true indeed! btw. I invented the filter you mentioned in the beginning of 2011 and already sold some 40 pieces during two group buys of the TC here in germany. Also had intense mail contact with Mike Broadbent at Racelogic. He told me that Lotus Elise type of cars all suffer from noise issues below 30...40 km/h and he was rather impressed when I presented him my results with the filter, being able to have the TC activated from 10 km/h up having no noise issues anymore. If anyone is interested, the filter is now officially sold by Martin Arnet, Tuneconcept in Wiesbaden, germany. He deals with lots of Lotus and VX parts, does rather good prices and is very fast and trusty. He speaks english fluently. -> info@tuneconcept.de

[cs_]

I just uploaded some pictures:
The complete wiring sheme for implementation into the VX220
The filter with AMP Superseal connectors
The filter mounted under the bonnet near the ABS ECU

[oblomov]

It's without doubt the best mod I've done. Nobody has mentioned that Racelogic do a specific unit with longer leads for the VX and other rear engine cars to reach from the rear to the ABS at the front. Thus I was able to instal the control unit inside the engine compartment on the boot bulkhead and I've never had any issues with erroneous electrical interference. I put that down to its situation and the routing of the wiring to the ABS. The unit is sheilded from the weather by a homemade metal shroud sealed to the bulkhead which is earthed, and that may or may not also make a difference. If it's good enough as standard equipment in the original Pagani Zonda then it's surely good enough for the VX.

[The Batman]

so you want traction control to reduce the power so it is driveable?

[ianrm]

so you want traction control to reduce the power so it is driveable?

I have driven a VX with it and didn't like it. I prefer to rely on my own devices rather than relying on electronics.

Why would you want to plant your foot round corners ?

Edited by ianrm, 17 December 2011 - 06:54 PM.

[Aerodynamic]

so you want traction control to reduce the power so it is driveable?

I have driven a VX with it and didn't like it. I prefer to rely on my own devices rather than relying on electronics.

Why would you want to plant your foot round corners ?

Why? Maybe it more comfortable to drive for example in the rain, don´t have to be 1000% alert all the time.
I am also looking into buying this device later on.

[luke.]

I will look into tc after I have had my car back but I am a firm believer in driver training and think it is paramount in comparison to tc anyday. Yes I am no f1 driver but with the skills and drills needed I believe you can progress a long way as apposed to letting computer systems correct any miscalculations

[Hark]

I really want to do one of those Walshy days.

[Dashwood]

I've looked into this in the the past and must say the guys from racelogic are brilliant. Informative and really seem like they want your project to work.

[slindborg]

On a car with a chassis as 'good' as the VElise I think Lukes comments stand. If the car had been designed to be mentally unstable in order to let some controllers hold it on the road for the 'best' drive (think F16 etc) then yeah TC would be needed. Having masses of power on tap dosent mean you have it on the go all the time that pedal on the right is analogue and not a switch I've played with variable slip systems in the past and the photos that are on racelogics site are pretty true with the levels of sideways it will hold on the slip.

[robin]

the 2-11 have a traction control so must be something worth having, on a big powered vx i dont see it being a bad thing to have as a option to turn on if weathers rubbish or damp roads, then if dry turn it off, for the sake of a few £££'s is may just save a nice car.

[ianrm]

so you want traction control to reduce the power so it is driveable?

I have driven a VX with it and didn't like it. I prefer to rely on my own devices rather than relying on electronics.

Why would you want to plant your foot round corners ?

Why? Maybe it more comfortable to drive for example in the rain, don´t have to be 1000% alert all the time.
I am also looking into buying this device later on.

I don't have any trouble driving in the rain, I just drive according to the conditions. Relying on TC to keep the car on the road rather than concentrating 100% on driving is wrong in my opinion.

I found the TC spoilt what the car is all about.

[cs_]

No one is able to be 100% concentrated all the time. No one.