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[MrSimba]

Having been out in a st4 VXT where the TC cuts in almost everytime you put your foot down and is very intrusive (though it may have needed calibration) compaired to my st4 without TC which is just so predictable and your left foot can kill the power instantly should the boost spike on islands ect I know which I prefer!

[luke.]

But surely driving such thing as an Evo with anti yaw control spoils the occasion. Yes it makes you go faster but I would rather crash and have a hoofing time rather that go a tiny bit sideways before computers kick in. I want to make myself a better driver and driver aids will not do that IMO

[luke.]

And hopefully with my engine the only boost spike will be gradually From 300-375 so hopefully not too bad like other big turbo cars. I am thinking of a plan for testing will post tomorrow when I have finished drinking jäger bombs, cognac, and cider lol

[TheRealVXed]

I have to agree with not having the traction control. Have had a couple of cars with it and I always switched it off. I like to rely on my own senses and as soon as people get complacent think "it's alright, i don't have to concentrate, TC will save me" that's when all manners of their driving go down hill. The reliance of human beings on electronics in cars is making us lazy, dangerous drivers. Even if you can only manage 100% concentration 50% of the time that is better than 50% concentration 100% of the time IMO. In certain situations however TC is a useful tool, but it should never replace concentration. Plus planting your foot mid-corner in a powerful mid-engined RWD is pretty foolish with or without TC. The fact that the remedy this problem is too fit TC rather than assess your own driving technique pretty much sums my post up

[cs_]

Are you talking of OEM units? That's not anywhere near the driving experience the Racelogic gives you! Do not compare a donkey with a racehorse. The Racelogic CAN save you, but most of the time it enhances the dynamics of driving. And you get faster with it. Much faster. The thing is, you need a certain amount of slip to get the best acceleration. The slip to get maximum acceleration is where the tyre just starts to loose grip entirely, it's the border between stable controllable grip an incontrollable burnout. You cannot hold that point with your right foot, even with an N/A you cannot. With the T/C you are able to maintain an adjustable slip limit. Fastest acceleration on straights, much fun accelerating out of bends. But you cannot evangelize the blind. So I give up. Everyone sees what he wants to see.

[RobNA]

Are you talking of OEM units? That's not anywhere near the driving experience the Racelogic gives you! Do not compare a donkey with a racehorse. The Racelogic CAN save you, but most of the time it enhances the dynamics of driving. And you get faster with it. Much faster. The thing is, you need a certain amount of slip to get the best acceleration. The slip to get maximum acceleration is where the tyre just starts to loose grip entirely, it's the border between stable controllable grip an incontrollable burnout. You cannot hold that point with your right foot, even with an N/A you cannot. With the T/C you are able to maintain an adjustable slip limit. Fastest acceleration on straights, much fun accelerating out of bends.

But you cannot evangelize the blind. So I give up. Everyone sees what he wants to see.

If just fast is what you want dont bother with even driving the car, get a racing driver to take you out for pax laps.

For me, and I suspect most of the people you call "blind", the pleasure is in being able to (or even try to) control the car yourself rather than out and out "speed" and lap times.

And as for saying you cant achieve the optimum slip angle without TC, I cant agree

[vocky]

if F1 cars don't need it ......

[Bargi]

if F1 cars don't need it ......

I thought the did but were banned from all the active gubbins

[vocky]

to get rid of the bad drivers

Edited by vocky, 23 December 2011 - 03:38 PM.

[Paulus H]

Agree left foot is perfect TC. Take away what is causing the slip and the problem goes away. It seems to me that many of the cars involved in the "Bridgestone moments" would still be around had the left foot TC been activated. Agree that TC can be helpful though. There was one F1 driver who was occasionally suspected of driving unscrupulously who may or may not have been using outlawed TC in wet conditions to what might be suggested was an obvious advantage.... Kind regards, Paul

[P11 COV]

Agree left foot is perfect TC.

Left foot?

[ianrm]

I have Two channel TC, left foot and right foot.

[KurtVerbose]

Started as an interesting thread. Seriously, if you don't like traction control why would you contribute to a thread about getting racelogic traction control?

[Nev]

Indeed, people who think they are faster and more aware than a CPU are living in denial. Also, well setup TC will allow you to push the car to the max, hence why lap times + all forms of rapid progress can be maxed out. There is no point in me spending £12,000 on a power mod and not being able to use it to it's max ability IMO. Also there is the additional safety aspect.

[The Batman]

thats the problem nev you have made a car that is too fast imo people here are saying if you add traction control you are taking the fun/enthusiasm/pleasure out of the car as it makes it too easy try doing the aero mods and wheels first then if you still think you need traction control then its your last resort as aposed to your first resort.

[Taz6622]

I my opinion this can not be a bad think if used in bad conditions.speaking from someone who has had experience of losing a car in a straight line in bad weather and righting it off . and no i was not speeding i was doing appox 40 mph in astright line axccelerated and spun out

[MrSimba]

I really think the correct tyres for the situation are the answer, I was convinced that my VX running 300+ was going to need TC but it does not, R1R's are fantastic 'all conditions' tyres. Sure the rears will spin in these damp conditions very easily but the answers not to drive the car like that! Too many turn up to meets on half worn AO48's in December and expect TC to save them when a set of 'all weather' tyres and a slightly lighter right foot would be cheeper and much more effective!

[Nev]

The problem I have though is that my rear tyres can be provoked to spin up in the dry like they do on a normal VX220 in the wet! I am currently addressing the issue of more rubber + wider wheels, though I don't know how much this will benefit things in reality. I am testing out some Porsch 18" rims with rubber on the rear with 255 width. If possible I'd like even more width on the rear though. As Joe says, once all the aero + tyres mods are done I can re-evaluate, but I have to say I am keen on TC.

[MrSimba]

The problem I have though is that my rear tyres can be provoked to spin up in the dry like they do on a normal VX220 in the wet!

I am currently addressing the issue of more rubber + wider wheels, though I don't know how much this will benefit things in reality. I am testing out some Porsch 18" rims with rubber on the rear with 255 width. If possible I'd like even more width on the rear though.

As Joe says, once all the aero + tyres mods are done I can re-evaluate, but I have to say I am keen on TC.

In your case tho Nev I agree TC is the way to go!

But your VX is putting out double what most 'tuned' VX's are running!!!!

[Bargi]

Nev just fit it, no ones a driving God capable of every situation. By the sounds of it most people who are against fitting TC have never driven with a RL TC setup. You built a motor that pushes outside of the current VX tyre/traction setup. I'm sure wings and other mods will help on track but exiting a roundabout @ 50mph like mbes2 a good TC setup would have done wonders. Putting on fatter tyres may help, maybe not, you've got too many unknowns when you're finding the limits of any other changes, at least the TC would help if the mod didn't work. Strangely enough no one makes a fuss about fitting a LSD which is a form of active traction control