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[jules_s]

Looks like you have totally misunderstood what is happening. That is a saltire being snatched off a wee lassie by a loyalist.

This is loyalist scumbags. They fcuking won and they still do this. The saltire has been burnt in George sq. By Scotsmen.

 


Poor wee lassies, wtf did they expect?

[LY_Scott]

I don't see the link? Look a bit out numbered no? You can't honestly see this as yes voter aggression? Are you blind? George square has been the centre of dancing partying, speeches for almost a week. Even today there was talk of how the fight would go on for the working class. Loyalists singing rule Britannia, setting of flares descended on George square just before 7pm. These are the same people held back the other night while thousands were in George sq for yes. Doing Nazi salutes, waving ulster and union flags, Derry boys yadda ya. This was organised. Do you think ordinary no voters go about waving union flags in Scotland? Do you think they'd burn a saltire?

[LY_Scott]

This is the other side to the orange march last Saturday. The difference last Saturday is that every body was told to stay away. This was a fcuking ambush.

[The Batman]

Both sides should be ashamed of themselves Pathetic.

[LY_Scott]

Agreed.

[LY_Scott]

I've sympathy for those there when it kicked off. I've none for any going into town or nor getting out as quickly as they could. I'm in Glasgow tonight and I've took a detour to avoid it while on get out of town.

[LY_Scott]

I really wonder who is running the council to allow these marches. This could get interesting for all the wrong reasons. Hopefully those arrested don't get out in the morning for it.

[LY_Scott]

10 mins in the loyalist n fascists come into square http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/p026j787 Terrifying to listen to. Go to about 9:30 you hear the loyalists arriving. Listen to the change in mood. Unbelievable.

[KurtVerbose]

It looks like Northern Ireland with all the orange order marching. Horrible - just horrible. Stupid tw@s who do that should be stopped.

[Zuber]

This all sounds rather ugly. But I hope it's just the fringe of a more general celebration. I don't see a problem with people wanting to celebrate a win for staying in the union. People are as entitled to be proud of being in the union and celebrating as of those that wanted to go independent. I think we should have and show lots of good natured celebrations, rather than everyone getting all bitter and focusing on and giving attention to the nasty bits. You can imagine the partying that would have been going on (along with a few scuffles) if it had been a yes. Anyone in public with a union flag would have to have big brass ones :-)

[Rickwoo118]

Both sides should be ashamed of themselves Pathetic.

Totally agree. It always happens though with every dispute....you get people wanting to stir up trouble.

[Dunk]

This all sounds rather ugly. But I hope it's just the fringe of a more general celebration. I don't see a problem with people wanting to celebrate a win for staying in the union. People are as entitled to be proud of being in the union and celebrating as of those that wanted to go independent. I think we should have and show lots of good natured celebrations, rather than everyone getting all bitter and focusing on and giving attention to the nasty bits. You can imagine the partying that would have been going on (along with a few scuffles) if it had been a yes. Anyone in public with a union flag would have to have big brass ones :-)

It's not Yes-voting Nationalists that are rioting and causing trouble and wouldn't be had they achieved the majority. It is the 'Unionist' not even 'No,' or 'Better Together' voters. These morons were attacking people carrying Saltire flags. It could well escalate with reaction but only from any idiots that happen to also have been Yes voters (or in fact just any idiots that see an opportunity.) These sub-human tw@ts use football & religion as their normal opportunities for violent thuggery. The only reason someone with a Union Flag would need big brass ones if the vote had gone the other way would have been because of fear from the 'Unionist's' scary counterparts. Despite the obvious strength of feeling involved pre- & post-vote, from nearly everything I've seen, heard and read, the mood of Yes voters is of dejection and defiant determination that they will continue to campaign for what they believe is best (just as any right-minded, committed opposition would.) A tiny minority have expressed anger or ill-will towards No voters. There's the usual good natured, tongue-in-cheek jibes which are taken & given in the usual spirit of banter. That's the familiar and comfortable situation I experience. Any perpetuation of the view that all or most Nationalist supporters are blinkered, fanatical nutters is unhelpful. My fear is that those lower-order primates using the independence debate as their excuse will use the opportunity to react and organise counter strikes. I wish we had some answers to dealing with these factions. It needs focussed on. Holding them back with riot police and waiting for an almost inevitable backlash feels like treating the symptoms, ignoring the root cause and allowing it to perpetuate and permeate more of the easily led. The perspectives being taken on the vote result and these events is also likely to be defining in ongoing relations between nations as much as the political fall-out and future. Globally, there has appeared to be more of the balanced, accurate understanding of what's behind the disruption reported than many initial articles from within the UK. At worst, you would hope it would be the opposite.

[Dunk]

It looks like Northern Ireland with all the orange order marching. Horrible - just horrible. Stupid tw@s who do that should be stopped.

Yup. Depressingly similar. Nobody has yet successfully driven it out of football or religion (good luck with the latter.) I think it's a problem which is just too difficult for the establishments to consider tackling. They should though. Few would need a history lesson to illustrate why.

[nicollow]

What Dunk said... Fanatics are a very vocal and often unnecessarily angry lot. The above scenes have nothing to do with the referendum and everything to do with sh*t stirring. It's their hobby

[Mangham54]

But politics versus religious factions is a deep dangerous tunnel. Unfortunately I long expected trouble post voting, no matter what the result. The whole campaign has not brought people together it has (and may continue) to have ripped a country and the United Kingdom apart. Questions are coming (listening to people in know in UK politics) about the cost of the referendum and whether the SNP party have squandered money that could have helped the people of Scotland. I know there is a backlash coming down here for the costs of the referendum. I think it is wrong, the referendum has been useful in stirring political awareness on both sides of the border... But that may not have positive outcomes.

Edited by Mangham54, 20 September 2014 - 07:24 AM.

[Dunk]

But politics versus religious factions is a deep dangerous tunnel. Unfortunately I long expected trouble post voting, no matter what the result. The whole campaign has not brought people together it has (and may continue) to have ripped a country and the United Kingdom apart. Questions are coming (listening to people in know in UK politics) about the cost of the referendum and whether the SNP party have squandered money that could have helped the people of Scotland. I know there is a backlash coming down here for the costs of the referendum. I think it is wrong, the referendum has been useful in stirring political awareness on both sides of the border... But that may not have positive outcomes.

I'm not sure it has awakened much political understanding or engagement. It would be great if it had but I suspect in a lot of cases it's just motivated and mobilised people to vote for no well-considered positions or strongly held ideals or beliefs. My money is on people heading back to their normal lives and their view of the irrelevance of most party politics.

Edited by Dunk, 20 September 2014 - 07:29 AM.

[LY_Scott]

So there is the breakdown. The grey vote killed it.

[Dunk]

Maximum voting age is being introduced. There will a statistical study done to prove the view that Scots die young due to our unhealthy lifestyles (particularly the middle-aged and elderly.) Once that's concluded, a non-partisan committee will study the findings and consider the notion that a demographic with short-term interests should not be able to unduly influence the future of those with a significantly longer life expectancy. Discuss

[Dunk]

When we get to 2000 posts, can we close this thread? Bloody ghand!

[peteslag]

Now that the Scottish have sorted themselves out when is the English vote?