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[Rosssco]

 

http://www.thedailym...l-2014092390921

[LY_Scott]

Mash has one today about hunting no voters being a sport too!

[Dunk]

Consider this video was made 9 months ago. Pretty uncanny huh? http://youtu.be/_scVW5BE29U

Wow! I wonder if this guy could pick me 7 numbers; 6 between 1 & 50, 2 between 1 & 11?

[Winstar]

 

Consider this video was made 9 months ago. Pretty uncanny huh?

Wow! I wonder if this guy could pick me 7 numbers; 6 between 1 & 50, 2 between 1 & 11?

 

 

Apart from you're keeping your extra money so all the arguments for why they will have to make cuts don't follow. 

[LY_Scott]

http://www.thetimes....icle4214916.ece

[LY_Scott]

William Hague also said yesterday if tax increasing powers were used in Scotland the Barnett formula would need to be changed. Boom, vow gone. It was gone anyway. So we'll be paying twice.

[Rosssco]

Thibk you're jumping the gun (unsurprisingly) here Scott. it's been 5 days since the referendum.

 

Obviously various views on the route forward will come out over the coming weeks / months, but this does not mean they are anymore likely to come true.

 

The 'vow' hasn't gone. It hasn't been fully resolved yet and won't probably be for some time.

 

Despite the fact that it would have taken years and endless political compromises to cobble together the arrangements required for an independant country, some ex-Yessers are getting all muffy because things aren't moving quickly enough against their idea of how fast politics should move..

 

The Barnett formula should be changed if additional tax raising powers are transferred, otherwise, we'd be bringing in more, but effectively subsided by the rUK.. It will be blamed on the Westmister parties, but I'm not sure the people of Scotland will be too happy with our new economic deal if, even though its 'fairer', we end up slightly worse off..

[LY_Scott]

Did you read what the vow said? As much as I can be pragmatic. The vow has gone in a factual sense

[Rosssco]

Yes.

 

What part of it do you consider broken or now factually incorrect?

[LY_Scott]

Shall we start a with protecting the Barnett formula?

[Rosssco]

Shall we start a with protecting the Barnett formula?

 

Yes. Please show me a link confirming the Barnett formula will be scrapped or amended?

[LY_Scott]

Hague said the Barnett formula was "a commitment to that higher level of spending for Scotland" but would become "less relevant over time". He said it would diminish in importance as Scotland gained more tax-raising powers.

Cameron did not recommit himself to the Barnett formula, the method by which resources are distributed on a population basis across England, Scotland and Wales. Labour local councils, Tory MPs and the Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, immediately insisted the Barnett formula should be torn up.

http://www.theguardi...k-scotland-vote There's one a quick google will find you plenty more. Tax raising powers will follow a drop on Barnett formula allowance. So effectively we will pay twice if we raise taxes.

[Rosssco]

I've seen all these before, and they are nothing but "what could happen".. Come back when you've had some confirmation..

 

And how do you work out we'd pay twice if that's what happens anyway?

 

If anyone wants a bit of a laugh (not Scott), check this out - Yes 2.0

 

https://www.facebook...shIndependence2

 

Juts can't let it go...

[LY_Scott]

You're kind of missing the point. They are hardly protecting it. Which is the vow, by saying it will diminish. That's the opposite thing. Because we raise taxes to get more money, Barnett formula reduces, all those taxes do is fill the gap. Why would any government do that?

[LY_Scott]

Do you think they'll make the timetable?

[LY_Scott]

Also! Its not yessers fault it would normally take longer. We never wanted this. We wanted independence. They've made this rod for their own backs by issuing last minute bribes.

[Rosssco]

Well, its clearly open to interpretation, as they will legitimately discuss what happens to the current allocations should certain areas of tax-raising powers be moved to Scotland. Different ministers / MP's from different parties will all have different views on what should happen. Its not a broken vow to be discussing it.

 

If we raise more tax within Scotland, and it stays in Scotland, then by rights any subsidy levels provided by Westminster is reduced, hopefully in proportion. But I think we have opened ourselves up to having a more variable budget in this respect, and personally I would have left it alone (which was impossible as soon as the vote was proposed..)

[Rosssco]

They will stick to the timetable, but the timetable was always a box filling expercise anyway to give people some form of structure to plans for further devolution. The content and what actual power will be devolved will be part of ongoing discussions between all UK and Scottish political parties..

 

The very last-minute approach has undoubtedly restricted them to an large extent, but not much can be down about that now...

[LY_Scott]

Correctomundo. Pint?

[Rosssco]

Would love to mate, but I dunno next time I'm down in the central belt.. Off to Berlin next week, probably have too many pints there...