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[PaulCP]

I really hope Salmond's whole plan is not based around the revenue from 'their' oil!

Scotland is a net exporter of goods whilst the UK as a whole is a net importer. The Whisky trade really is lucrative

Edited by PaulCP, 21 October 2013 - 08:42 PM.

[myles]

I really hope Salmond's whole plan is not based around the revenue from 'their' oil!

Scotland is a net exporter of goods whilst the UK as a whole is a net importer. The Whisky trade really is lucrative

That's even less plausible than the oil! If you can run a country on the proceeds from whisky and highland toffee than I doff my cap to you.

[PaulCP]

I really hope Salmond's whole plan is not based around the revenue from 'their' oil!

Scotland is a net exporter of goods whilst the UK as a whole is a net importer. The Whisky trade really is lucrative

That's even less plausible than the oil! If you can run a country on the proceeds from whisky and highland toffee than I doff my cap to you.

No point doffing your cap to me, I'm not a Scot!!! - just happen to know a little about their economy although TBH I (and most of the Scots i worked with at Forth Ports) don't believe independence is financially viable in the medium to long term.

[LY_Scott]

This is a problem

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342

 

Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

[ghand]

This is a problem
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342
 
Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

My place Pilkingtons glass had the exact same decision last year, we ended up taking the freeze on the pension and it cost us all big big money, but why would you throw away your job ? If your making a big loss things need to change it's not exactly rocket science, we halfed the staff with VR and shut one line, but hopefully now the place will get back into profit and expand in the future.

Seems the unions still think it's the 70s at that plant.

[Goosenka]

This is a problem
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342
 
Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

My place Pilkingtons glass had the exact same decision last year, we ended up taking the freeze on the pension and it cost us all big big money, but why would you throw away your job ? If your making a big loss things need to change it's not exactly rocket science, we halfed the staff with VR and shut one line, but hopefully now the place will get back into profit and expand in the future.

Seems the unions still think it's the 70s at that plant.

I used to live next door to one of the Pilkington family. Sex crazed idiot she was and always in trouble of some kind.

[Claws]

Fudging unions! Also greedy/shortsighted workers in said union.

[ghand]

This is a problem
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342
 
Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

My place Pilkingtons glass had the exact same decision last year, we ended up taking the freeze on the pension and it cost us all big big money, but why would you throw away your job ? If your making a big loss things need to change it's not exactly rocket science, we halfed the staff with VR and shut one line, but hopefully now the place will get back into profit and expand in the future.

Seems the unions still think it's the 70s at that plant.

I used to live next door to one of the Pilkington family. Sex crazed idiot she was and always in trouble of some kind.

Did you ?

Like next door I meant.

[Goosenka]

This is a problem
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342
 
Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

My place Pilkingtons glass had the exact same decision last year, we ended up taking the freeze on the pension and it cost us all big big money, but why would you throw away your job ? If your making a big loss things need to change it's not exactly rocket science, we halfed the staff with VR and shut one line, but hopefully now the place will get back into profit and expand in the future.

Seems the unions still think it's the 70s at that plant.

I used to live next door to one of the Pilkington family. Sex crazed idiot she was and always in trouble of some kind.

Did you ?

Like next door I meant.

Julia Pilkington just remebered. When i moved in i was washing my car and she come over to me wearing a thong bikini and asked me over to her place to go in her jacuzzi.

Never again. She was a nightmare woman. A woman wives love to hate. She got in big trouble over some sex party she had in her jacuzzi with the police.

[Goosenka]

http://www.telegraph...the-forest.html

not me honest

Just read this bit...wonder which one i was

At her 2002 trial Portsmouth magistrates were told that she used derogatory names to insult her neighbours, including The Pervert, The Slag and The Purchased Wife.

Edited by Goosenka, 23 October 2013 - 11:06 AM.

[ghand]

This is a problem
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342
 
Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

My place Pilkingtons glass had the exact same decision last year, we ended up taking the freeze on the pension and it cost us all big big money, but why would you throw away your job ? If your making a big loss things need to change it's not exactly rocket science, we halfed the staff with VR and shut one line, but hopefully now the place will get back into profit and expand in the future.

Seems the unions still think it's the 70s at that plant.

I used to live next door to one of the Pilkington family. Sex crazed idiot she was and always in trouble of some kind.

Did you ?

Like next door I meant.

Julia Pilkington just remebered. When i moved in i was washing my car and she come over to me wearing a thong bikini and asked me over to her place to go in her jacuzzi.

Never again. She was a nightmare woman. A woman wives love to hate. She got in big trouble over some sex party she had in her jacuzzi with the police.

Bloody hell that's going back I remember that, never met the woman was she fit? Just read it, she sounded a right one,

.

Edited by ghand, 23 October 2013 - 11:17 AM.

[Rosssco]

Fudging unions! Also greedy/shortsighted workers in said union.

 

Exactly that, although the workers are probably somewhat in the dark with Union retoric. I know some unions serve a purpose to try and keep employers "in check", but when it comes to a stage where they are told you need to go back to work, or this place will close, and they don't go back to work, then what is to be expected.. The US Republican party was playing the same brinkmanship game last week with US finances..

 

Do we really needs unions nowadays, as employment law has pretty much taken over the aspects where unions see themselves as being useful?

 

On the general note of Independance, I do disagree with Scott, and think we should remain part of the UK, albeit perhaps with some additional devolved regional powers (which I thinkis Salmonds ultimate realistic goal).

 

I also disagree with the majority of completely ill-formed comments that insist Scotland recieves more money then it returns to Westminster - its relatively closely matched, and varies over decades and years dependant on various factors..

[Goosenka]

This is a problem
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342
 
Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

My place Pilkingtons glass had the exact same decision last year, we ended up taking the freeze on the pension and it cost us all big big money, but why would you throw away your job ? If your making a big loss things need to change it's not exactly rocket science, we halfed the staff with VR and shut one line, but hopefully now the place will get back into profit and expand in the future.

Seems the unions still think it's the 70s at that plant.

I used to live next door to one of the Pilkington family. Sex crazed idiot she was and always in trouble of some kind.

Did you ?

Like next door I meant.

Julia Pilkington just remebered. When i moved in i was washing my car and she come over to me wearing a thong bikini and asked me over to her place to go in her jacuzzi.

Never again. She was a nightmare woman. A woman wives love to hate. She got in big trouble over some sex party she had in her jacuzzi with the police.

Bloody hell that's going back I remember that, never met the woman wan she fit?

God no

[PaulCP]

This is a problem
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24631342
 
Will be interesting how this rolls out over the next few days. John Sweeny looked a fair bit agitated on Newsnight Scotland last night.

So 800 people are to lose their jobs thanks to the ego of a full time union official wanting his day of glory. Time union members saw through their full time officials desires and used their own brain. They should also do the maths on how much of a pay rise would be needed to recoup a week of lost earnings. Strikes IMO never make sense.

Remember Ford a few years ago, the unions were taking the glory for achieving a 20%+ pay rise then the week later Ford announced the closure of the plant. Wonder if that 20%+ pay rise is on their list of achievements.

[LY_Scott]

http://www.scribd.co...27127?width=980

[Rosssco]

10 word summary Scott..

[convict]

"This is what we'd like to do with more money" However, most of it they could already do, they just don't have the money. The major issue is whether or not independence would generate more wealth or not, and this white paper doesn't really deal with that.

Edited by convict, 26 November 2013 - 12:35 PM.

[LY_Scott]

10 word summary Scott..

 

Good luck with that

[G-Bob]

My problem with it as I keep on saying is that all of it is just predictions and wish lists.

We hear promises of politicians (uk or scottish) every year and absolutely sh!te-all comes of it every time. 

 

They campaign thinking they can make a change and then when they get into power they realise how hard it actually is to please everyone and they end up doing a heavily watered-down version of their promises, that's if they deliver at all.

[LY_Scott]

Speaking for the no campaign....