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[techieboy]

Granny shagger.

 

Stick your independence up your arse. You can stick your independence up your arse. You can stick your independence, stick your independence, stick your independence up your arse.

Edited by techieboy, 26 November 2013 - 05:24 PM.

[LY_Scott]

Seems to like your football team as well. Feel free to take him. No sorry its Wales he wants to go to. Unreal isn't it.

[techieboy]

I assume the Prophet Salmond isn't a season ticket holder at Ibrox then?

[LY_Scott]

He's a hearts fan IIRC they're a bit like that as well. Wee rangers, rangers, withoot the bus fare etc.

[Claws]

I couldn't watch that all the way through! Cringeworthy! ETA: I think I would much rather be led by an older man who might shag grannies than share an opinion with that chap who might shag his sister

Edited by Claws, 26 November 2013 - 06:09 PM.

[Rosssco]

Haha, Scott we both know there's brain dead (actually that's a compliment and assumes there was once a live human brain in there..) twats like these on both sides of their self-imposed devide.. Equally, I'm sure there's similarly intelligent beings on the other side who will vote yes so we get closer links to Ireland or similar guff...

[LY_Scott]

You're definately right.

[siztenboots]

there's a few companies that can piss off out of the London FTSE too ; Cairn, Aggreko, RBS, SSE, Standard Life and Weir Group. Go get your own stock exchange.

 

between 2008 and 2011, the number of enterprises in Scotland which are Scottish owned was 97% and accounted for around 65% of total employment in Scotland

 

or in other words, 3% of foreign companies accounts for 35% of employment

 

[LY_Scott]

I take it this doesn't account for those working in the public sector and not for companies.

[siztenboots]

just corporate sector

 

doesn't everyone else work in NHS or government?

 

actually, we will be keeping Border biscuits

 

 

 

[siztenboots]

I take it this doesn't account for those working in the public sector and not for companies.

 

you are probably right ,

 

http://www.scotland....porate/KeyFacts

 

Chart 4: Share of employment by ownership, by industry sector, 2013

 

[techieboy]

What happens to the SNP if the vote is "No"? If this is their only shot at independence in at least a generation, does that not make them pretty much defunct (certainly the leadership, at least) as a political force in Scotland? Will the Scottish people really allow them to reverse course and throw themselves wholeheartedly behind devomax, given their investment (and the rhetoric) in full independence? Will this see the rejuvenation of some of the more mickey mouse small parties that used to exist up there?

[siztenboots]

so anything pro-independence could go * * in a magic puff of smoke Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition Scottish Socialist Party Scottish Jacobite Party

[LY_Scott]

I think you misunderstand how the SNP got into power the last time. There isn't a massive majority declaring absolute in favour of independence so it isn't that. There wasn't that then either.

 

You have to look at what the opposition is and was during the last election to see why we are where we are. The SNP were the only party presenting a positive view for the future. The debates betweeen the party leaders were a one man show. Scottish Labour who are the only party with a sniff of getting into power in Scotland were run by Iain Gray and he was useless against Alex Salmond who love him or hate him is a great tactful experienced politician. Remember the election result is also a reflection generally of the demise of Labour across the board. I don't think Scottish Labour's current leader has a hope in hell of being First Minister either.

 

SNP aren't as often presented a one trick pony party. You have to look at Tuition fees, prescriptions, care for the elderly, their focus on renewables as demonstrated in a thread I created today etc.

 

The independence referendum is a side effect of the SNP's majority. Brought in a lot of ways by a hopeless Labour party. It's always been their aim and their not shy about it.

 

Will a No mean the end of the SNP? Only if the Labour party get their arses in gear.

[slindborg]

ok, If the tories didnt have the proportion of UK running they currently have, would this whole independance thing have stayed on the shelf?

[Rosssco]

I agree Scott, but at the same time, as someone who isn't convinced by thje case for independance, I never considered voting SNP at any local / regional elections (TBF I only voted last time because the polling station was next door to me ) purely because I knew they would focus primarily on independance. That'd fair enough is thats the political aim of the party, but doesn't offer too much to those who want less radical change..

 

I don't think most people voted for the SNP because they wanted independance, just a change, and as you say, Labour lost the plot..

 

The SNP seem to have no Plan B's about, well, anything... And that's not going to convince the sceptics.

[LY_Scott]

Tories have never had any say in Scotland. There's the running joke that there's more Giant Pandas in Scotland then Tory MP's.

 

It's the anal prolapse of Labour that thrust the SNP to a majority that and the Lib Dems.

 

http://en.wikipedia...._election,_2011

[LY_Scott]

I agree Scott,

 

Yi can cut the right out!

[slindborg]

Tories have never had any say in Scotland. There's the running joke that there's more Giant Pandas in Scotland then Tory MP's.

 

It's the anal prolapse of Labour that thrust the SNP to a majority that and the Lib Dems.

 

http://en.wikipedia...._election,_2011

 

 

ahh but the 'mean old tories' are running the show from London.... If the useless reds were in charge there I would wager the indie lark wouldnt have been wheeled out.

[techieboy]

SNP aren't as often presented a one trick pony party. You have to look at Tuition fees, prescriptions, care for the elderly, their focus on renewables as demonstrated in a thread I created today etc.

They're clearly not a one trick pony. They need to have had some popular policies (for both pre and post referendum) and some bribes to the conveniently extended electorate otherwise they'd have never been able to form a viable government to even push the referendum. Golf resorts aside, anyway. 

 

But, when their central tenet is full independence for Scotland (even if you would then cede control of your currency to a different country's central bank and half your other powers to Brussels ) anything less than that result is a rather large fail on their part and most definitely on the leaderships part. To then, all of a sudden, decide that devomax is palatable after all and that they can work within that framework is somewhat of a volte-face and must surely make Salmond/Sturgeon/whoever's positions untenable, if the SNP is to carry on in it's current guise.

 

Assuming a "No" vote and that the SNP survives as a majority government, do you as a country go through this pain again every 2-3-4-5 years until they get the result they want, even if it's just a 50%+1 vote of those who turn out, which might by then only be 30% of the electorate through fatigue? Or do you just say fcuk it, stick that one on the back burner for another 20 years and get on with making the best of what we've got (which is already more than anybody else in the UK)?

 

I thought (probably incorrectly) that the SNP was formed out of an amalgamation of smaller democratic/liberal/socialist parties over the years. But, Scottish politics is very far from any expertise or real interest I have (and why I've no idea about Scottish Labour and how sh!t they may or may not be in comparison to the muppets down here).

 

I hope you stay. But if you go, I'll happily wave goodbye to the newly unemployed Westminster MP's that independence will create.