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[techieboy]

Eddi Reader needs a kick in the nuts.

[LY_Scott]

Fcuk me this LibDem (nice work on the part of the Conservatives in palming off the poison chalice) Minister for Scotland is a bit wet but he's well outnumbered on the panel.

The panel is half n half. First time it ever has been on the BBC.

[LY_Scott]

Eddi Reader needs a kick in the nuts.

Yes. She could do with a shoe in the fud

[techieboy]

Is it fcuk. 4-2 and one of those 2 is more like a half. Every time I see/hear one of these debates, the pro-Yes camp come across as totally rabid and constantly shout down pro-No (or even undecided) people and seem totally unwilling to even entertain listening to any other viewpoint. Eddi Reader also needs a punch in the throat as well.

[Gedi]

Eddi Reader needs a kick in the nuts.

 

What a bellend she is. If Scotland leave, she should have her MBE and BRIT awards revoked

[LY_Scott]

So which of the Tory, lib dem and labour person are you suggesting wants a yes vote?

[LY_Scott]

Eddi Reader needs a kick in the nuts.

  What a bellend she is. If Scotland leave, she should have her MBE and BRIT awards revoked

Fanny.

[ghand]

Oh just all fcuk off and take you heather, kilts, sporrans and bagpipes with you, just keep the scotch coming our way

[techieboy]

So which of the Tory, lib dem and labour person are you suggesting wants a yes vote?

No, it's balanced on paper. It's down to the lack of adjudication with the ranting and near shouting over the top of any non Yes viewpoint. You might want to claim it was a balanced debate but I'd say it was far from balanced.

[Gedi]

I thought it was incredibly unbalanced. Whenever Alistair Cairmichael or Margret Curran tried to make a point, they got shouted down by the audience and that moron Eddi Reader. Nicola Sturgen had an easy ride, I don't think anyone in the audience even contested her. Eve so, she was always rolling her eyes and had a silly grin on her face the whole time.

 

[LY_Scott]

http://www.scotsman....talks-1-3213208

 

[Rosssco]

QT was nothing more than I expected - the Nationalists are a vocal minority. No real insult meant with that, wish there was more vocal Unionist supporters. Watched Alistair Carmichael a few times recently, and I really feel he's out of his depth here against the well practiced arguments of Salmond / Sturgeon. The Unionist campaign really needs a strong figurehead who doesn't always seem to be on the back foot, and expose the White Paper for what it is - a Grey Paper with too many assertions and much political idealism.

 

Its been said before, but Sturgeon really has a face you want to slap, mostly because of her constant smirking and eye-rolling at anything that doesn't agree with her..

Edited by Rosssco, 29 November 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[Claws]

I can't stand Nicola Sturgeon, she probably wouldn't like me either but I can live with that

Edited by Claws, 29 November 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[LY_Scott]

I'm not a Sturgeon fan either. The sniggering and eye rolling are not becoming. Salmond does it a bit too but it's usually followed with some worthwhile vocal response so he gets off a bit easier.

 

The No Unionist campaign is just as full of assertions as the Yes campaign. The EU question for example can be cleared up if the UK government ask the question of the EU but they refuse to do so. The worry and vagueness of it all aids their campaign. If they were sure of the outcome why don't they ask?

 

The same with the use of the pound. They continually say you'll have to negociate...we don't know...maybe you can't use it etc. But asked. "Will you object?" They um and ah and well..you'll need to negociate....But we'll be negociating with you!. Will you object?....And it goes on. The Bank Of England have now come forward and said they are open to discussions with the Scottish Government on it...so woops they're independent aren't they...we'll see what the outcome of that is.

 

 

[Zuber]

http://www.scotsman....talks-1-3213208

 

 

That was an eye opener !

 

I just put the 'Salmond is a plonka' stuff down to usual politics. But it really sounds like he just wants independence, never mind how it would actually work out...

 

It's strange, but I've found myself annoyed with Scotland for wanting Independence. Thought it was a bit strange, so started thinking about why, especially given the lack of long English bloodline

 

I figure it's kind of like being rejected. Or like the Mrs saying she is thinking about getting a divorce. Once you say that, you can't just turn round and say why does it concern you. It's my decision to make. In effect it triggers a 'Well if that's how you feel, maybe we don't want to have anything to do with you either' reaction.

 

I hope Scots just say No with a clear majority and we can move on from this.

Edited by Zuber, 29 November 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[G-Bob]

There is one thing that doesn't ring true for me on the unionist arguments.

They say that Scotland costs more than they put in and that it's basically a massive cost to the uk.

 

If that's the case then why are they wanting us to stay?  Surely the uk would be better off without us?

 

[Gedi]

 

 

I just put the 'Salmond is a plonka' stuff down to usual politics. But it really sounds like he just wants independence, never mind how it would actually work out...

 

 

I feel a lot of Scots opting for the yes vote are doing it for the sole reason to detach themselves from the English. They'll deal with the question of how it might work afterwards. 

[Gedi]

 

If that's the case then why are they wanting us to stay?  Surely the uk would be better off without us?

 

 

 

Because the size of the empire is reduced, including the benefits which come with that. It's worth losing a cash in order to maintain landmass and population.

[Zuber]

There is one thing that doesn't ring true for me on the unionist arguments.

They say that Scotland costs more than they put in and that it's basically a massive cost to the uk.

 

If that's the case then why are they wanting us to stay?  Surely the uk would be better off without us?

 

 

I think 'we' are concerned that we will get screwed over even more when all the arrangements are figured out. With the UK politicians just letting the Scots get away with too much because they make so much noise and accusations. And be forced to pick up the pieces somehow should it all go 'South'.  

Edited by Zuber, 29 November 2013 - 02:31 PM.

[G-Bob]

There's also the fact that the UK will have forged relationships based on resources that are sourced out of Scotland.  Not having these resources anymore will put strains on those relationships.

 

If a country is in the EU and then people have decided that they no longer bring their good to the party (so to speak), can they be rejected or booted out?