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[Mangham54]

I assume that if/when jockland leaved the union, the union flag/jack will need to be changed to delete the irrelevant bits..... Does that mean the UK can invoice scotland for having to change all those flags (be they actual flags or images etc)?

 

They can try, but given the 'new republic' will be dead within 2 years I would just put them in a cupboard and charge Scotland for the storage fees instead.  Scott. 

Edited by Mangham54, 18 December 2013 - 12:32 PM.

[LY_Scott]

The union flag predates the parliamentary act of union does it not? The union flag was post Union of the crowns (1603).

 

The crown union stays...you know that bit where our King took your throne? We're keeping that so we're not going to be a republic.

 

You might just want a total rethink since Wales is now regarded as a country rather than an annex of England as well.

 

 

[slindborg]

Wales would go bankrupt overnight

[jameso]

Let them eat cake

[LY_Scott]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-25451159

 

Two things to note here. The objective is for the Yes and No camps to both come forward with a view for post referendum result.

 

The Yes campaign have done this. The No campaign haven't.

 

If you look at the way the story is written you'd think neither had given anything. This shows the well know bias of the BBC on the matter.

 

It also demonstrates the entire strategy of the No campaign is to provide no information at all and simply shout down anything propsed by the Yes  campaign. Hence creates an unclear position and "Project Fear" works.

 

I'd like a factual debate from both camps but at present the only vision is from the Yes campaign, the No has slipped in the polls and will continue to unless they change their position and start providing some information.

 

Any view for more powers being moved to Scottish Parliament were quashed with powers removed by a house of lords amendment last week on renewable spending. Powers were moved back to westminster. A key policy of the SNP....oddly enough not widely reported....

[G-Bob]

Surely the "No" position has been clearly stated for years.  It's simply carry on as is?  

[LY_Scott]

The electoral commision needed an idea of what a No vote would mean. It hasn't been provided. Going on last week it would appear thats going to be stripping the parliament of powers as expected.

[Rosssco]

 

It also demonstrates the entire strategy of the No campaign is to provide no information at all and simply shout down anything propsed by the Yes  campaign. Hence creates an unclear position and "Project Fear" works.

 

 

Ironic as that's exactly what you get when you ask serious questions of any "yes" campaigner, especially with regards to the fanciful claims in the recent Braveheart Bible 'White Paper'...

 

There's been substantially more actual information and data from Better Together IMO, as opposed to stuff the SNP hope for after the referendum.

 

Naturally, this is presented as "fear" by the Yes campaign, but sometimes the truth hurts... Some of the ill thought out stuff from the SNP is slightly scary, in that they might end up in charge..

[LY_Scott]

You should really face forfeit by mentioning Braveheart.

 

Project Fear is the name Better Together gave for their campaign internally. Not my opinion.

 

What data have better together released that is solid? I haven't seen anything. as for the EU and B of E. Both questions could be cleared up in an instant if the UK government/BT wanted to.

[JohnTurbo]

As a Northerner I don't have to like the city of London, but I sure as hell wouldn't cut links to it.

 

Of course Barcelona (et al) want out of Spain, its floundering and Barcelona is the only industrious bit.

 

I'm confident Scotland is richer than England if you pro-rata the oil geographically, but since thats falling off at 7% annually its set to swing very scarily in the wrong direction.

(Even if you disagree with the trend you must agree its a very finite resource)

 

In any case unified or not, Scotland needs strong links to England, so Gordon can buy all the scotch.

 

I don't care much either way but i'm fairly sure it will go "no" as nobody knows what will happen - thats why theres no information, because its unprecidented.

You may as well hypothesise about British weather.

[ghand]

My uneducated simplistic view, if they split your average Scottish person may keep the same standard of living or it's posable they may see a very very slight increase. Can't see them all suddenly benefitting loads and becoming rich.if it all went brilliantly well how much extra cash would the average man in the street see in his back pocket? But it could all go tits up and things could get worse pretty fast. So it's a gamble and if I wore a kilt I don't think its a gamble worth taking for the slight benefits that maybe posable. Or is that to simplistic

[JG]

Speaking with the management of a few FTSE companies the other day, none of them are putting into place contingency plans as they are sure the No campaign will win.

 

To me, the whole thing seems a very devisive thing to do. Whatever happens 40% of so of voters are going to be unhappy with the outcome.

[Zuber]

My uneducated simplistic view, if they split your average Scottish person may keep the same standard of living or it's posable they may see a very very slight increase. Can't see them all suddenly benefitting loads and becoming rich.if it all went brilliantly well how much extra cash would the average man in the street see in his back pocket? But it could all go tits up and things could get worse pretty fast. So it's a gamble and if I wore a kilt I don't think its a gamble worth taking for the slight benefits that maybe posable. Or is that to simplistic

 

You are being too rational Gordon. Where's the passion to put right all those years of Oppression by the English etc.

 

As I've said before, I'd rather Scotland stayed in.

 

But some the crap I'm hearing on the yes campaign is starting to cheese me off...

 

If the urge for Independence is that strong then fair enough. As long as the rest of UK fights its corner and doesn't just roll over and let Scotland have everything on its terms, cherry pick what they want and leave us with the unsavory bits... That's what the SNP Yes campaign sounds like to me. We fancy that, don't fancy this. That's all ours and that mess, that's actually yours. Nobody else has a say in it of course.

 

I don't see why those that want to bail out should be given special treatment, if anything we should extract as much out of it as we can. After all, they would no longer be our concern...

 

I fail to see why the No campaign is being accused of not presenting a post No solution. We already have it in place, it's what we have right now. It comes across as if we should be grateful if Scotland decide to stay in the Union and so should be rewarding them/offering bribes or something.  B***ks to that.

 

We'd like you to stay, but don't expect us to be grateful to you or something if you do...

 

I think that would make an excellent No Campaign. Sod Off if you want, but if you do, it's not going to be a free ride. it will bloody well cost you

Edited by Zuber, 21 December 2013 - 02:04 PM.

[Gedi]

New TV program names for if Scotland leave

 

- no cash in the attic

- dr who you fcukin lookin at

- dragons crack den

 

[ghand]

My uneducated simplistic view, if they split your average Scottish person may keep the same standard of living or it's posable they may see a very very slight increase. Can't see them all suddenly benefitting loads and becoming rich.if it all went brilliantly well how much extra cash would the average man in the street see in his back pocket? But it could all go tits up and things could get worse pretty fast. So it's a gamble and if I wore a kilt I don't think its a gamble worth taking for the slight benefits that maybe posable. Or is that to simplistic

  You are being too rational Gordon. Where's the passion to put right all those years of Oppression by the English etc.   As I've said before, I'd rather Scotland stayed in.   But some the crap I'm hearing on the yes campaign is starting to cheese me off...   If the urge for Independence is that strong then fair enough. As long as the rest of UK fights its corner and doesn't just roll over and let Scotland have everything on its terms, cherry pick what they want and leave us with the unsavory bits... That's what the SNP Yes campaign sounds like to me. We fancy that, don't fancy this. That's all ours and that mess, that's actually yours. Nobody else has a say in it of course.   I don't see why those that want to bail out should be given special treatment, if anything we should extract as much out of it as we can. After all, they would no longer be our concern...   I fail to see why the No campaign is being accused of not presenting a post No solution. We already have it in place, it's what we have right now. It comes across as if we should be grateful if Scotland decide to stay in the Union and so should be rewarding them/offering bribes or something.  B***ks to that.   We'd like you to stay, but don't expect us to be grateful to you or something if you do...   I think that would make an excellent No Campaign. Sod Off if you want, but if you do, it's not going to be a free ride. it will bloody well cost you

Well at a push I could get used to Irish Whiskey or even Bourbon or Brandy I have a Scottish £5 note left over from the Hoon do you think I should cash it in before it falls in value ?

[Zuber]

Well at a push I could get used to Irish Whiskey or even Bourbon or Brandy I have a Scottish £5 note left over from the Hoon do you think I should cash it in before it falls in value ?

 

 

Apologies for the earlier Gordon. Just getting a bit cheesed with all the drivel of how amazing independence will be...

 

Given my religious upbringing and stance on drinking, I would of course recommend getting used to 7Up, Pepsi or J2O. Iron-Bru if you must    

Edited by Zuber, 22 December 2013 - 09:42 AM.

[JohnTurbo]

I will be smuggling Iron Bru in glass bottles over the border in a modern day moonshine runner (nascar). Dont believe its the same stuff in cans and plastic bottles, it aint!!

[G-Bob]

Glass bottles are miles better. Every yes or no campaign advert ive seen recently says choosing the other option will lead to an increase in taxes. Well duh..... Taxes rise, and will continue to rise no matter what happens.

[Claws]

Irn-Bru

[Zuber]

Irn-Bru

 

That's Scottish spelling. I prefer English corrected spelling