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[techieboy]

Scottish regiments will move back to Scotland/Scottish control. Up to the individual servicemen whether they want to stay within RoUK services or become part of the Scottish Defence Force, as I understood. 

 

If independence happens I reckon Portsmouth should rustle up a fleet to go and liberate our two carriers and obviously bin the new destroyer contracts. Don't want them built by dodgy overseas shipyards where a foreign government could sneak all sorts of naughtiness into them.

[myles]

Scottish regiments will move back to Scotland/Scottish control. Up to the individual servicemen whether they want to stay within RoUK services or become part of the Scottish Defence Force, as I understood. 

 

If independence happens I reckon Portsmouth should rustle up a fleet to go and liberate our two carriers and obviously bin the new destroyer contracts. Don't want them built by dodgy overseas shipyards where a foreign government could sneak all sorts of naughtiness into them.

 

 

There is massive guesswork there then, for all involved.

 

As for Scottish regiments, they are only that by name only. i wouldn't put it past the Govt to re-name and redeploy troops to finally put paid to the history of any of the still stood up Scottish regiments.

[Rosssco]

 

Scottish regiments will move back to Scotland/Scottish control. Up to the individual servicemen whether they want to stay within RoUK services or become part of the Scottish Defence Force, as I understood. 

 

If independence happens I reckon Portsmouth should rustle up a fleet to go and liberate our two carriers and obviously bin the new destroyer contracts. Don't want them built by dodgy overseas shipyards where a foreign government could sneak all sorts of naughtiness into them.

 

 

There is massive guesswork there then, for all involved.

 

As for Scottish regiments, they are only that by name only. i wouldn't put it past the Govt to re-name and redeploy troops to finally put paid to the history of any of the still stood up Scottish regiments.

 

 

TBH, the make-up of any Scottish defence force would be significantly different to the current armed forces of the UK, so I can't see there being a simple exchange of forces, as they will do a significantly different job. It would be interesting to see a poll of current serving and recently left MoD personnel to gauge (if offered a choice) whether they would stay with the UK forces until retirement, or transfer to a SDF.. What happens if half a regiment votes one way, do they just split it up and amalgamate with others? Can't imagine moral being particularly high in such instances.. Who knows..

 

And if you think some of the current MoD defence contracts can be somewhat inefficienct and over-budget, I dread to think what a Scottish government would come up with...

 

Edited by Rosssco, 12 February 2014 - 12:13 PM.

[techieboy]

Well, as with everything Salmond has said, it'll need some proper working out if it becomes a reality. It'll be a total mess trying to separate everything out of the combined UK forces. I can't see why, given the generally pacifist rhetoric, they really need anything apart from fisheries protection and I guess some form of oil platform protection/anti-terrorist force. Best route would be to lease Faslane back to RoUK and join NATO as quickly as possible and turn the big airforce bases into NATO bases. They'd be a bit mental to actually want a couple of squadrons of Typhoon's given their cost and the availability of newer generation fighters/interceptors.

[LY_Scott]

Hopefully now the SNP can reveal their currency "Plan B"  - which they won't of course as the other two options are a Scottish currency (seriously unpredictable) or the Euro (political suicide given the current state of affairs).   I mean, there is a Plan B, right..?   http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-26147783

George Osbourne maybe won't be chancellor at this point. The statement is an empty threat to scare the uninformed. Anyone see the Tories seeing out a 2015 election? As said a million times before as well no one needs to give anyone permission to use the pound. http://www.itv.com/n...n-to-use-pound/ There is also the balance of payments issue. Where it is in the rUK's interest to keep the net exporter Scotland in the union or in currency union. Do you really think George Osbourne is fighting to keep us in for our interest? I bet he couldn't even point out Glasgow on a map of Strathclyde.

[LY_Scott]

As for Scottish regiments, they are only that by name only. i wouldn't put it past the Govt to re-name and redeploy troops to finally put paid to the history of any of the still stood up Scottish regiments.

You might find there a some quite strong objection to that from the likes of the Black Watch and Scots Guards. I would think some might choose a more active military role in an rUK force but forcing their hand wouldn't be how to do it.

[LY_Scott]

Scottish regiments will move back to Scotland/Scottish control. Up to the individual servicemen whether they want to stay within RoUK services or become part of the Scottish Defence Force, as I understood.    If independence happens I reckon Portsmouth should rustle up a fleet to go and liberate our two carriers and obviously bin the new destroyer contracts. Don't want them built by dodgy overseas shipyards where a foreign government could sneak all sorts of naughtiness into them.

BaE systems have already said the destroyers will be made on the Clyde regardless. It would cost millions to make Portsmouth ready. I pass the Queen Elizabeth carrier every day at Rosyth it's some size of a thing. You're welcome

[techieboy]

As said a million times before as well no one needs to give anyone permission to use the pound.

  Agreed. You can use the ruble, the Vietnamese Dong or Amex travellers cheques, if you want. That would also make you a bit of a 3rd world country without your "own" currency.

[techieboy]

George Osbourne maybe won't be chancellor at this point. The statement is an empty threat to scare the uninformed.

I thought all three parties have ruled it out now? So it might not matter who the Chancellor is at the time (FWIW, I think the Tories will still be there one way or another due to the shower of sh*t that is Labour under Milliband).

[techieboy]

BaE systems have already said the destroyers will be made on the Clyde regardless. It would cost millions to make Portsmouth ready.

BaE would can it, in a flash, if the UK government got cold feet over where it's built.

[G-Bob]

I reckon Portsmouth should rustle up a fleet to go and liberate our two carriers

 

Portsmouth?  Rustle up a fleet????

 

Maybe if you want them back in the year 2100.

[LY_Scott]

http://www.dailymail...ponse-time.html

[techieboy]

We've still got 10 destroyers and a troop carrier, plus a couple of Trident subs and you'd never get enough warning if we launched on Glasgow from dockside in Faslane (see I know the geography, whilst the temptation might be to strike Holyrood, that probably wouldn't be too helpful given where Rosyth is). Not like there's going to be much more than the Clyde Sailing Club and the Forth Windsurfing School to stop us.

[Rosssco]

 

Hopefully now the SNP can reveal their currency "Plan B"  - which they won't of course as the other two options are a Scottish currency (seriously unpredictable) or the Euro (political suicide given the current state of affairs).   I mean, there is a Plan B, right..?   http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-26147783

George Osbourne maybe won't be chancellor at this point. The statement is an empty threat to scare the uninformed. Anyone see the Tories seeing out a 2015 election? As said a million times before as well no one needs to give anyone permission to use the pound. http://www.itv.com/n...n-to-use-pound/ There is also the balance of payments issue. Where it is in the rUK's interest to keep the net exporter Scotland in the union or in currency union. Do you really think George Osbourne is fighting to keep us in for our interest? I bet he couldn't even point out Glasgow on a map of Strathclyde.

 

 

The point is Scott, is that (much like most other parts of the independance proposal), there is no back-up plan proposed in case the the economic conditions of a shared currency start to work against one party. Plus as you know it is a potential restriction on UK confidence (which one of the UK political parties will one day grab hold of and use for votes), and significantly restricts what a IS could do with these new fangled "economic levers" (which are basically a reorientation of spending priorities based on the left-leaning SNP). The only people it really suits is the SNP agenda of getting over the line of independance with as little hassle as possible, avoiding doing it right first time.. I cannot sign up to a political vision that is so short on real answers and so confident in assumption..

 

Osbourne may not be Chancellor after 2015, but the general feeling is that the future UK political leadership will not favour sharing the pound, especially if any significant issues arise where the rUK is out of pocket, or in anyway hampered by a currency union. This is not scaremongering, its a potential reality. 

 

It's not about permission to the use the Pound - we could use many other currencies, or peg a new currency to any other currency. As for the link, I'm pretty sure the comparison of the Eurozone and the problems that have arisen there are far more relevant and realistic to us than that of Panama and Ecuador... Where are their manin exports - hats, bananas and class A drugs?

[Rosssco]

http://www.dailymail...ponse-time.html

 

The reality is we would initially intercept a vessel like that with aircraft (it was spotted long before it got there) rather than another warship. So in reality it was just a test of ship response time..

[myles]

 

http://www.dailymail...ponse-time.html

 

The reality is we would initially intercept a vessel like that with aircraft (it was spotted long before it got there) rather than another warship. So in reality it was just a test of ship response time..

 

 

We won't have to worry about it come Independence Day, it'll be up to the SDF to repel all boarders!!!

[LY_Scott]

At least the SDF would be in Scottish waters eh!

[myles]

Wait, you think you'll be able to afford a Navy?

[LY_Scott]

I'm not getting into a stupid argument with you. Go do some research

[myles]

I'm not getting into a stupid argument with you. Go do some research

 

 

fcuk me you get so touchy about this subject. Sense the mood by the smiley......