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[LY_Scott]

We have a massive coastline, hundreds of islands and offshore revenue. We clearly need a fking navy of some description. Even spending less than than our percentage we already do on defence we will be better defended by simply having forces here.

[Rosssco]

We have a massive coastline, hundreds of islands and offshore revenue. We clearly need a fking navy of some description. Even spending less than than our percentage we already do on defence we will be better defended by simply having forces here.

 

I think it depends on what you mean by "better defended". If you mean in response to the (unlikely event of) ruskies turning up and deciding that they fancy buliding a new ski-resort (they've became rather good at this - not) in Shetland, and taking a few barrels of the black stuff, then no, Scotland wouldn't stand a chance on it's own unless it was a part of NATO, in which case UK forces would be first responder most likely. Back to square one.

 

Its more likely to be a majority of small patrol craft, maybe a couple of older generation subs (assuming Faslane retained), a couple of destroyers, and some limited air defence, depending on how it would fit in with NATO requirements. Assuming we hadn't blown the budget on other things..

 

My point being that against anyone that really matters, we wouldn't be better defended. The threat of force is the more critical thing here. Plus Scotland would have no nuclear deterent, but I guess people have different views on that (I view it as a necessary evil)..

Edited by Rosssco, 12 February 2014 - 03:26 PM.

[myles]

Air surveillance and defence is a lot more cost effective and delivers a bigger impact than trying to manage a massive coastline with ships/boats.

[The Knobs]

What would happen if we English wanted independence and cut off all the extremities?

[Harry Hornet]

all this talk of Scotland defending herself after independence...who in their right mind would want to attack it in the first place..

 

..whats it got

 

List

1. Irnbru

2. Whisky

3.mmmmmm.......

[G-Bob]

whats it got

 

 

List

1. Irnbru

2. Whisky

3. Haggis

4. Salmon

5. Beef

6. Potato Scones (mmmmm)

7. Square sausage (mmmmm)

8. People good at making warships

 

[Harry Hornet]

whats it got

 

 

List

1. Irnbru

2. Whisky

3. Haggis

4. Salmon

5. Beef

6. Potato Scones (mmmmm)

7. Square sausage (mmmmm)

8. People good at making warships

 

 

you missed the most important

 

9. The Hoon   

[LY_Scott]

[LY_Scott]

whats it got     List 1. Irnbru 2. Whisky 3. Haggis 4. Salmon 5. Beef 6. Potato Scones (mmmmm) 7. Square sausage (mmmmm) 8. People good at making warships  

  you missed the most important   9. The Hoon   

10. Deep fried battered pizza

[Harry Hornet]

 

is he a good guy..is he speaking truths...or is it spin...would he have any power (and support) to make th e changes he goes on about.

 

.........listening makes the yes vote a good vote......where are the gaps ????...always happy to listen and learn from a debate

 

..is the issue mr Salmon????..cos if it worked it may wake up the English voters.....

Edited by Harry Hornet, 12 February 2014 - 05:28 PM.

[techieboy]

Convicted perjurer and fully paid up member of the Militant Tendency. He wont be happy until you've joined the Warsaw pact. 

[LY_Scott]

Aye he's a socialist and he likes a bit on the side. If you watch the video though...

[LY_Scott]

He'll never have any power Harry and as techie says he's a bit of a fud but to listen to the arguments he makes is great. I also fully agree that it will be labour who thrive in an independent Scotland and not the SNP.

[Rosssco]

George Galloways is almost as big a twat as Tommy Sheridan, and he actually gave a pretty decent speach on the subject recently too.. Not that I have time for any of them..

[myles]

George Galloways is almost as big a twat as Tommy Sheridan, and he actually gave a pretty decent speach on the subject recently too.. Not that I have time for any of them..

 

Like them or hate them and their beliefs, these guys can talk!

[Seb.F]

I still don't quite know what to take away from all this talk of independence.

 

Part of me wants to say "Ok guys, you win, have your independence and do what you wish", but a much larger part of me wants Scotland to stay. We don't need to be separating ourselves at this point in history. The future is through cooperation and friendship, not trying to make a point about what makes us different. I personally think it will all breed more hate towards both sides, which is really not needed, and all for what, stubborn Scottish pride?

[LY_Scott]

But we can have cooperation and friendship without a union some would argue the cooperation and friendship would be stronger.

 

As a side issue,

 

I'm currently this far away from George Osbourne

https://maps.google....=w&mra=ltm&z=18

 

The urge to go via the corner shop and grab a lettuce to hurl at him is quite strong

 

Hopefully he'll go into the Burke and Hare next door for a dance and give us all a break after a display of skanks boobies.

[KurtVerbose]

It was Thatcher who did it. Like her or loathe her the Scottish people didn't get her and she didn't get them. The number of Tory MP's dwindled to zero and never recovered and understandably many Scottish people wondered how come they were governed by a government they didn't elect.

[Claws]

Lettuce? Surely a loaf would be more apt (preferably one that is both plain and stale )

[Rosssco]

 

The urge to go via the corner shop and grab a lettuce to hurl at him is quite strong

 

 

Don't be a vegetarian with you're lettuce chucking - at least use some square sausage..