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[myles]

BSkyB: Referendum 'for the people' http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-26871555

 

 

Well, the Scottish telephone voice is meant to be the easiest to understand, bizarrely!

[Rosssco]

BSkyB: Referendum 'for the people' http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-26871555

 

Or a more representative view from large business..

 

"Uncertainty" being the most popular theme..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-26466362

[LY_Scott]

Shock horror business likes stability. As donkey once said to me "In other news Turkeys vote to abolish Christmas" It's not a reason to vote No. What happens after that vote is entirely up to us.

[LY_Scott]

Oil and gas firms expect jobs growth http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-26871548

[LY_Scott]

39,000 jobs in the next two years. But the oil industry is dying, right?

[Rosssco]

Shock horror business likes stability. As donkey once said to me "In other news Turkeys vote to abolish Christmas" It's not a reason to vote No. What happens after that vote is entirely up to us.

 

Of course its a good reason to vote no.. You like instability? And the point is that it will not be up to us, it will be up to business, we will have little control over that, despite bizarre promises of lower business rates and "business as usual"..

 

What it does show is that the business environment could potentially change significantly in Scotland if it becomes independant. The walls arn't going to come crashing down of course in the short term, but there could be signifcant longer term consequences.

 

Sounds a bit like the typical nationalist "Independance at any cost" argument that gets rolled out, by people who seem detached from the reality of the potential effects of this, and believe their Saltire flag will keep them warm and put food on the table (a bit dramatic and extreme, but you get my point)..

[Rosssco]

But the oil industry is dying, right?

 

Don't think anybody has ever said it's dying??

 

There has to be an acknoledgement that it is a "mature" oil field however, and that will many of the easier to exploit zones are becoming depleted, meaning mosre investment in new technology etc. There's a significant cost to this.

 

This is one of the reasons that Sir Ian Wood was recently asked to take a look at the industry, and identify areas for improvement / efficiency to help sustain growth, and extend it's lifecycle.

[LY_Scott]

What it does show is that the business environment could potentially change significantly in Scotland if it becomes independant. The walls arn't going to come crashing down of course in the short term

You're absolutely correct. And the long game is up to us.

[Rosssco]

 

What it does show is that the business environment could potentially change significantly in Scotland if it becomes independant. The walls arn't going to come crashing down of course in the short term, but there could be signifcant longer term consequences.

You're absolutely correct. And the long game is up to us.

 

 

You seem to have missed a bit Scott

[LY_Scott]

I chose to ignore the bit where you went all flag waving bigot again. Businesses will hold out to see what happens. No-one is going to up and leave on September 19th. Its up to us to create a good platform for business. They're not going to leave for the sake of it and certainly not if it turns out better. Its just nonsense. For every business coming out with worry there's another saying they'll make it work.

[Rosssco]

I chose to ignore the bit where you went all flag waving bigot again. Businesses will hold out to see what happens. No-one is going to up and leave on September 19th. Its up to us to create a good platform for business. They're not going to leave for the sake of it and certainly not if it turns out better. Its just nonsense. For every business coming out with worry there's another saying they'll make it work.

 

Seems you are fitting the A-typical head-in-the-sand Nationalist critieria very well Scott..

 

Again, if you read what I said, I never said business would leave on 19th September, but that fact that many have openly said they are making contingency plans to move, and others have said that it would have a negative impact on thier business, doesn't seem to phase a Nationalist...

 

What other businesses have said it will work better for them? A few like Airlines have said it will not affect them (as there is a "promised" scrapping of air passenger duty), but never seen that actively support it.. Of course, who cares about business, we'll be able to make our own decisions and mistakes...

 

What flag do you propose this bigot is waving?

[LY_Scott]

I meant you were calling me one. Not one single business have said they will leave you are correct on that too When pressed they say there's uncertainty. Well that's undeniable. It doesn't mean they think the sun is going to fall out the sky it means there's uncertainty. It doesn't mean they will spend millions moving and they've planned it out already. It means there's uncertainty. Its not the same thing. It can be spun in a negative way. But what have they to be certain about? Maybe a middle England voting to leave the EU in 2017? A massive drop in University take up and skills because of tuition fees down south? Having to set up private healthcare schemes for their employees as the NHS falls to bit south of the border and is sold off to cronies of Cameron? Even the article you posted from the BBC which is a pretty poor source for anything pro-indy has a mix of opinions. What we have in September is a massive opportunity for something different. I'll be voting yes.

[Rosssco]

I'll be voting yes.

 

Of that, I have no doubt..

[Winstar]

Oil and gas firms expect jobs growth http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-26871548

 

I suspect a high percentage jobs aren't going to be in Scotland It's a real struggle to get any good engineers locally a high proportion of the experienced engineers are limited company contractors that commute from England on a weekly basis and a lot of the big names are setting up their engineering centres around other parts of the UK.

[LY_Scott]

http://blogs.channel...-politics/23805 At last. Someone from the media is starting to get it. A yes vote is a real possibility.

[Gedi]

Gotta admit, I agree with everything he said.

 

Scotland are lucky, at least they have the option to leave. Us in the north of England have no options and no way to make our point heard other than voting for UKIP.

 

What really needs to happen is for the current UK to kick London out, let that become a principality, and the rest of us can rebuild a more neutral land.

Edited by Gedi, 06 May 2014 - 08:51 AM.

[Harry Hornet]

please, please a yes vote..more govenment projects to split all those lovely systems.....and of course the Scots will need more lovely systems to be set up

 

all in all ..lots more lovely work consultancy  

[slindborg]

ohh scottish rail...

 

milk the cow before it runs our of its initial cash

[LY_Scott]

Railways already devolved

[Zuber]

I keep reading the No Vote campaigners don't come up with anything but negatives... Of course they do.

 

The rest of the country isn't there to play tricks/bribe Scotland so they don't leave. So we don't have unprovable claims of how wonderful everything will be once you join the Union, since you are already in it.

 

It's so easy to sit there claiming all will be wonderful once we are independent. It's all hypothetical at the moment and so you can claim all sorts.

 

Reality check, Scotland if it goes Independent will be run by a bunch of self interested politicians and the public will have to deal with the same old crap in Scotland that the rest of do.

 

With some luck, Scotland may be a bit better off after independence. On the other hand, the whole thing could go seriously pair shaped. I don't see the Yes campaign guys going round pointing out how things could go wrong and what would happen if it all went 'South'.

 

If Scots want independence, then fair enough. But don't go into it thinking it's going to be an easy ride. Be prepared for some stormy weather. Becoming your own independent country is going to be a big transition and therefore will inevitably involve a great deal of pain over time, even if things start off well. I don't see the Yes camp banging on about that though.

Edited by Zuber, 07 May 2014 - 08:38 AM.