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[Dunk]

Got to give him that Phcott

[Mangham54]

har har, To reply to some of the drivel above It won't be anything Britain because Great Britain's 307 year existance as a state after a union between the two countries on the island will cease. (Wales was a principality of England) UK is a possibility because England and Wales will still be hanging on to 6 counties of Ireland (and that is going to confuse the right old shite out of them). None of that til March 2016 though. Hoon will be as normal next year No toll roads here, the wonderful scottish government removed the tolls from Skye, Forth and Tay bridges. No language books needed. Scots language is historic enough, I'm no fan of us turning to Gaelic and there's no plans for it. We've learned to speak slowly and loudly (especially G-Bob) with confornted with sassenachs Interested as to why Chris thinks we'll be trying to use the NHS in England given that the tories are selling it off and it's still fully public up here?

It is for now, but I can see that being the sacrificial lamb when Salmind et. al have to find funds for a national disaster. The likes of the companies taking over down here will have constantly been knocking at Holyrood's inner sanctum and get their wicked way.

[LY_Scott]

Now you're just guessing. The NHS and Education budgets will be the very last to get cut. Ponder the moves of the SNP so far. This also assumes the SNP are in power post independence. Which I don't think they will be. I'm still betting on a Scottish Labour first independent Scottish Government

[Harry Hornet]

Now you're just guessing. The NHS and Education budgets will be the very last to get cut. Ponder the moves of the SNP so far. This also assumes the SNP are in power post independence. Which I don't think they will be. I'm still betting on a Scottish Labour first independent Scottish Government

 

so to get any benefit of doing a yes vote is to......

 

be very ill and still go to school......

 

..you said it in not so many words  

[LY_Scott]

I said they wouldn't cut the education or NHS budgets...

[LY_Scott]

I'm answering Chris's point not summarising all aspects of the yes vote

[Mangham54]

Now you're just guessing. The NHS and Education budgets will be the very last to get cut. Ponder the moves of the SNP so far. This also assumes the SNP are in power post independence. Which I don't think they will be. I'm still betting on a Scottish Labour first independent Scottish Government

 

I certainly am guessing, but then there is nothing to stop anything that has been promised happening or not happening.

 

Unfortunately most of the debate is, in my opinion, just conjecture.

[slindborg]

UKIP also want to sell off the NHS.... again, its not just the "mean ole Tories"

[Rosssco]

UKIP also want to sell off the NHS.... again, its not just the "mean ole Tories"

 

Outside the socialist uproar, there really is no problem in privatising certain aspects of the NHS if they are managed correctly, and it offers imporved car and better value to the tax payer.. Some would rather we continue to pump more money into a system which is may not be operating as effciently as it can be (money we don't have) rather than take a fresh look at.. The sucess of any changes should be related to results and level of care, not on budget alone..

 

I find it slightly ironic that Scottish Nationalists bleat on about protecting the NHS when they are potentially committing it to a more financially precarious situation. Makes good anti-Tory / English toff retoric I suppose.. 

[Zuber]

No issue with Privatisation as such. But...

 

I do like the idea of the Doctor/Consultant or whatever that is looking after me feeling that he is being paid to look after me. With Privatisation, you potentially become a means of making/loosing money.

 

Nice easy patients with good profit margins, yes please. Difficult/low profit ones, go somewhere else.

 

Been to India a few times with parents etc. You can get very good quality health care there I'm told. But for some unknown reason, the doctors keep coming up with 'you need to operate' way more often than they would in the UK. Could it be that sending you home with a pain killer is less profitable than operating ?

[Gedi]

It's looking more and more like Scotland will be leaving London .... err .... I mean the UK.

Big changes are on their way

[Mangham54]

Privatisation in the NHS will not guarantee better value for money or better quality services. I work with a collection of NHS trusts and their experience of 'privatised' or 'subcontracted provision' has led to greater direct costs after yr2 and a significantly larger amount of time spent managing the subcontractor <- middle management and administration is a financial crippler in most NHS trusts.

 

Sterilisation services are now completed by monkeys at minimum wage with almost zero training. They have little concept of what dangers 'cutting corners' have in order to ensure they meet their targets, if they are caught they just get the sack. No re-training or coaching, simply feed the machine in the corner and trust that it is doing the job it should be.... It is a very very dangerous road we are heading down. 

[slindborg]

does that mean I could get an ebay sterilisation on the cheap?

[Mangham54]

Wrong sort of sterilisation, equipment not services.

[LY_Scott]

[Rosssco]

 I'm sure there's a few who wouldn't mind seeing him sink into the Clyde...

[Zuber]

I thought is was the No Campaign that was always negative ?

[RabnaKS]

I thought is was the No Campaign that was always negative ?

No, the Yes campaigners have a natty way of telling folk who say anything against a Yes vote they don't listen, don't understand or talk Sh1t3 or words to that effect, they don't want No campaigners to be heard, that's why there are the Cybernats, obviously won't be official or they're a deniability group? øŸ˜ˆ

Edited by k5h4w, 17 May 2014 - 10:45 AM.

[theotherjonnymac]

It won't happen. Alex Salmond seems to be a lone voice.

[LY_Scott]

It won't happen. Alex Salmond seems to be a lone voice.

You are well out of touch.