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[Rosssco]

I see why they sent him to Uzbekistan...

 

Ex-UK Ambassadors for Yes

 

And London cabbie - font on unbiased knowledge and cutting analysis that he is..

 

London Cabbies for Yes

 

There you go, more support groups. Two right there.

 

Edited by Rosssco, 27 August 2014 - 01:04 PM.

[LY_Scott]

Aye aye aye. You're also bias though... I'm never convincing you. Likewise obvs

[LY_Scott]

Campaign has entered the shite stage to be honest. All of the stuff you've seen within these pages, most of it well informed from either side isn't whats influencing those just getting interested now. It's both sides but it's just lots of guff and psycobabble. Fighting over the middle, undecided voters with playschool psyco saatchi style advert trickery and spin. Whichever way it goes i'd want us to do it as an informed electorate and choose with purpose rather being duped. I appreciate the IQ and interest in politics isn't a standard fitment but it's frustrating to watch. The most basic covered a million times questions being asked by some but at least they are still asking questions. If you get all your info from the nightly news or reading the daily record it's hopeless and I don't mean that in a straight bias way. I mean it in a way that the debate is in the detail, the arguments and the counter arguments not in 30second news snippets. I converted two of my older uncles to Yes on Saturday at my mums 60th by answering basic questions on pensions. gaaaaaaah All of the hope of those using social media is pointless if those who are the highest percent of actual voters apathetically stroll in and vote No. Not because they are "No Thanks" but because they really are "Dinnae Ken" There will be an element of apathy which causes some of that group not to bother either of course. It's going to be damn close.

[Rosssco]

I agree. I think both sides have run out of new ideas and ways to attack each other. Whilst many will appreciate my views on things, I've become increasingly frustrated by the continual "What's your plan B" which has been done to the death. We know the SNP will never tell us, and most accept that, vote accordingly, or content themselves that they don't need to know.. Frustrating also that there are so much better, more effective arguments for no that could be put forward (some of which have been discussed on here), but it just seems they've been told to stick to their previous line. In these sort of respects the BT campaign has been poor. Scott, I think the right course of action and default choice should be no if you are unsure - it's up to the nationalists to convince (or covert, as you say) people of their political vision. I keep telling myself "that's it! I'm going into lockdown! Can't stand listening to this guff anymore.." And keep to myself.. But then I think I should continue to discuss it (not necessarily to covert ) as it's a critically important decisio, and I think some people are being too casual in their "I'll just give it a go attitude".. Never had any problem voting for yes, just as long as they are fully and properly informed of the benefits and drawbacks / risks so we can make a genuine informed, sensible choice.

[techieboy]

Ross alluded to it a day or two back but I've actually had a fundamental shift in opinion since the first page or two of this thread. Whereas I wanted you to stay and wished you luck if you decided to go, I now lean towards waving you off on your merry way with an erect middle finger just to stop the near continuous whining/complaining (or at least to stop the complaining where I'm exposed to it). Whilst I don't wish you ill, I don't actually wish you any type of luck whatsoever and just hope we take a hardline on negotiations on separation, to make sure we get the very best deal for rUK and sod what impact that has or doesn't have on your fledgling economy. If nothing else, at least independence would forever settle the question of whether Celtic and Rangers should be allowed into the EPL. I'm also really struggling to decide whether a Scouse accent, a Wolverhampton accent or a Scottish accent is now the best suited for moaning. I think the Wolverhampton accent still wins but it's getting closer and closer.

[Mangham54]

My feelings exactly and I fear the same could be said for a growing number in rUK.

[Rudy]

I'm also really struggling to decide whether a Scouse accent, a Wolverhampton accent or a Scottish accent is now the best suited for moaning. I think the Wolverhampton accent still wins but it's getting closer and closer.

Scouse. Moaning like cnuts since the 17th century.

[LY_Scott]

No campaign's attempt went wrong last night. http://www.theguardi...t-ad-went-wrong Some of the twit pick meme's are worth a click at the bottom. That's the clean one's! For balance here's the yes one from tonight. They decided to go full on age of Aquarius at the end http://www.bbc.co.uk...adcast-27082014

[LY_Scott]

Its all just pretty shite. But both are trying to pick up the last stragglers.

[jules_s]

Ross alluded to it a day or two back but I've actually had a fundamental shift in opinion since the first page or two of this thread. Whereas I wanted you to stay and wished you luck if you decided to go, I now lean towards waving you off on your merry way with an erect middle finger just to stop the near continuous whining/complaining (or at least to stop the complaining where I'm exposed to it). Whilst I don't wish you ill, I don't actually wish you any type of luck whatsoever and just hope we take a hardline on negotiations on separation, to make sure we get the very best deal for rUK and sod what impact that has or doesn't have on your fledgling economy.

Well put that ^^^ pretty much where I'm at The grass is always greener and all that

[ghand]

No campaign's attempt went wrong last night. http://www.theguardi...t-ad-went-wrong Some of the twit pick meme's are worth a click at the bottom. That's the clean one's! For balance here's the yes one from tonight. They decided to go full on age of Aquarius at the end http://www.bbc.co.uk...adcast-27082014

Awesome yes video Scot, utopia at the strike of a pen

[LY_Scott]

Did you watch the other one?

[ghand]

Did you watch the other one?

Yes So come on, let's have you guess now. Which way will it go ? Simple yes or no will do, bit like the answers you always get from a politician How about a list

[LY_Scott]

There are actual bare faced lies in the no video. Its unreal. It totally plays on uncertainty. Even things that are pretty agreed become a complete mystery. God knows Gordon, honestly. There's plenty of variables. Its still anyone's guess.

[LY_Scott]

Its getting fruity though http://www.thecourie...arling-1.544899

[Rudy]

How about a list

How about a yes/no poll ?

[LY_Scott]

Bit pointless on here. Very few with an actual vote.

[Rudy]

Lol, lots with a voice though! I'm a scot with no vote

[LY_Scott]

I hear that. Its a two way thing though. There's plenty of people who weren't born here who do have a vote. I'm pretty happy with the electorate though. It effects those who live here the most regardless of their background.

[Rudy]

Yeh, I get that. No point moaning as I chose to move away. Actually I will moan cos I'm a scot lol. My old man is in Leven, and lots of family around Glasgow who will be voting. All are dead cert on what they want to happen. It's actually been one thing that's brought the community together - talking about it, politics etc - not the actual outcome.