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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:32 AM

I had a very interesting conversation with a very knowledgeable, intelligent, accountant client of mine who takes a keen interest in the trends of foreign investors worldwide.

 

He is extremely concerned that, if independence does come about, the Chinese will be a-knocking on yer doors. Chinese investors will be keen to throw their money at Yescotland's remaining manufacturers/exporters who will gratefully sell up at inflated $$$. Before you know it your wool and tweed industry will be Chinese owned. They love a bit of tweed. They also have a love for Scotch. And a never-ending appetite for fish. They will trawl your seas to the point of extinction without fear of any meaninful defence.

 

Be warned.

 

 

 



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:38 AM

Why aren't they doing that now? Don't understand why they'd suddenly sell up to Chinese? The seas are EU controlled in regards to fishing currently patrolled by the Marine Scotland Compliance vessels. (its the royal navy who patrol outwith Scottish waters).

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:42 AM

On the other hand, we would need to attract significant foreign investment, just as we will need to attract immigrants in order to remain economically viable.

 

That won't play well with the lefties who think an iScotland will move to the left, take things back into public hands, and improve employment law etc., but its the only real way for us to progress if that was what happens, as there just isn't the money within the economy to do much otherwise..

 

For instance, Salmond is merely a nationalist in a socialst coat, as that's what suits him politically, at this stage. He is not a socilaist by trade however, and if he gains power, you are right, he will be out courting foreign investment, and roll over when it looks likely, just as he did with Trump and his relationship with Murdoch..



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:46 AM

I was reading this on the Tory vote in Scotland. I'm starting to think if we go down the route of independance, we should move to the right of center in order to properly utilise the benefits of being independant..

 

http://www.wealthyna...-tory-scotland/



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:10 AM

Thats a point, will Scotland still be under EU landing quotas for Fish if they go Yes ?



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:21 AM

More from Robert Peston. He might not last at the BBC much longer :lol:

Analysis: Robert Peston, BBC business editor Some of the fuss and furore about whether prices in an independent Scotland would be higher than in the rest of the UK is bonkers. When retailers - food and non food - say they might have to push up their prices if Scotland were to introduce higher taxes or rates or if it were to change employment and planning laws, this is simply to remind Scots why they are voting for or against independence. The whole point of Scotland becoming a separate nation, for its proponents, is to give Scots the ability to make different choices about the nature of the society they inhabit from what prevails in the rest of the UK. Inevitably those choices would have an impact on businesses. And frequently they would have an impact on the level of prices. So talking about the emergence of inevitable price differentials between Scotland and an independent UK is to say something stunningly obvious and uninteresting. For example we don't expect prices to be the same in UK and France, because the UK and France make different choices about the structure of their respective economies, and these choices have an impact on the productivity and pricing policies of their respective businesses.



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:26 AM

You're more than welcome to have Peston, Andrew Neil, Kirsty Wark and Nicky Campbell (especially him) if you vote yes. thumbsup

 

Obviously goes without saying, but you can keep the Proclaimers and Susan Boyle too. :D



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:27 AM

Wow check out that ant-indy bias from the BBC  :rolleyes:



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:30 AM

No no. We're not taking Susan Boyle back :lol: Not sure she's really from this planet, nevermind Scotland

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:32 AM

No no. We're not taking Susan Boyle back :lol: Not sure she's really from this planet, nevermind Scotland

 

You can't just choose who to ditch and who to keep... She is Scottish and therefore is your burden to deal with.



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:37 AM

:lol: Can we swap her for Katherine Jenkins? :wub: Great point made below about the nonsense surrounding RBS statement yesterday This is from BBC Radio Scotland this morning.

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:39 AM

You can take Katherine Jenkins as well. Just so long as I never have to hear her wailing out the national anthem before a football/rugby match, I'm fine with that.



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:41 AM

You can have Adellellllleeelelele too,



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:44 AM

:lol: Can we swap her for Katherine Jenkins? :wub:  

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

 

One she is Welsh and therefore we would have to gain sanctions from that other semi-independent state of Wales. Which if we granted 'devolution' to N.Ireland we could just about do what the fcuk we wanted anyway <- but then I am sure Scott will say that we are doing that anyway :P

 

Secondly... She isn't the full package like Susan... That delightful combination of hideous to look at and hideous to listen to. Kat is merely hideous to listen to. Besides Nicola Salmond-Sturgeon-fishwife would be at a loss without her twin sister.


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:50 AM

More from Robert Peston. He might not last at the BBC much longer :lol:

Analysis: Robert Peston, BBC business editor Some of the fuss and furore about whether prices in an independent Scotland would be higher than in the rest of the UK is bonkers. When retailers - food and non food - say they might have to push up their prices if Scotland were to introduce higher taxes or rates or if it were to change employment and planning laws, this is simply to remind Scots why they are voting for or against independence. The whole point of Scotland becoming a separate nation, for its proponents, is to give Scots the ability to make different choices about the nature of the society they inhabit from what prevails in the rest of the UK. Inevitably those choices would have an impact on businesses. And frequently they would have an impact on the level of prices. So talking about the emergence of inevitable price differentials between Scotland and an independent UK is to say something stunningly obvious and uninteresting. For example we don't expect prices to be the same in UK and France, because the UK and France make different choices about the structure of their respective economies, and these choices have an impact on the productivity and pricing policies of their respective businesses.

 

 

Full article here:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-29161335

 

And since we're cherry-picking (from the same article)

 

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But of course in exercising that new ability to choose, there would be an impact on - among things - the costs for business. And of course there are a whole bunch of things an independent Scotland could choose to do, from encouraging investment to improving infrastructure, which could boost the efficiency of business and lead to reduced prices.

 

But that is not the whole story. There are some unavoidable financial costs of becoming independent which the Scots cannot dismiss as scaremongering by a Westminster patriarchy. They should see these costs, perhaps, not as an overwhelming reason to vote against independence, but as simply the tariff or entry fee for autonomous statehood.

So what are these costs?

 

Well the first one is short term. Which is that investment always falls in a time of uncertainty.

 

The uncertainties about the nature of an independent Scotland are material for business, especially the uncertainty about what currency it would use and the timing of its membership of the European Union.

And unless and until the economic and monetary structure of a newly independent Scottish nation were conspicuous and set, there would be less investment - and therefore a temporary dip in growth.

 

Strikingly, the former boss of Sainsbury's, Justin King, told me last night in a BBC interview that the UK's supermarket groups have already disproportionately cut their investment in new stores in Scotland - because of the uncertainties brought about by the referendum vote.

 

It is very unclear how long the uncertainty tariff would be levied on Scotland. But the important point is that it would wash out over a period of years, as the country's new governance arrangements bedded down.

 

But there are two other costs of a more permanent nature, and a serious contingent cost.

 

One permanent cost is that Scotland is a smaller market than the whole UK.

It is almost too trite to mention, but there are benefits to business in operating in as frictionless and large a market as possible - the more consumers who can be reached cheaply and easily by a business, the more efficient it is.

And as soon as a market fragments into separate markets, with different regulations, different taxes and so on, the more that costs for business increase.

 

For the avoidance of doubt, a fragmentation of the UK's single market would push up costs on both sides of the Scottish border. But they are likely to rise relatively more north of the border, because the new market created there would be smaller."

 

(Sorry, got a bit mental on theole bold button..)



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 12:12 PM

:lol: Can we swap her for Katherine Jenkins? :wub: Great point made below about the nonsense surrounding RBS statement yesterday This is from BBC Radio Scotland this morning.

 

Please don't take any of this personally, but I am going to play devils advocate a little here:

 

 

I have just listened to the whole of that and I have to say that barely a word of it could I agree with.

 

Accusations of BBC impartiality are irrelevant when discussing which 'news anchor' is hosting a news article... No-one is impartial in this debate, particularly those with a right to vote next week. Accusing a london-based 'anchor' as more likely to be aligned with the prime-minister and no-campaign is very much a opinion and reeks of stereotyping 'southerners' of have a vested interest to push for a no vote. :rolleyes:

 

Secondly has RBS Group and Lloyds specifically set out exactly what was meant by their press-releases? Each side is entitled to 'spin'

 the story their ends... If the no campaigners hadn't, then I can't see that the yes campaigners wouldn't have tried to find some angle to work upon...

 

I am sorry, but the constant griping (not aimed at you, Scott) about impartiality of the press really is getting on my tits. The press has never been impartial in its history. Plus with 80%+ of the BBCs funding coming from rUK residents, then is it not fair to say that 80%+ of the coverage should be aligned to their political views. A minority of those in favour of independence should not be entitled to the premium of main coverage.



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 12:18 PM

Plus with 92% of the BBCs funding coming from rUK residents, then is it not fair to say that 92% of the coverage should be aligned to their political views. A minority of those in favour of independence should not be entitled to the premium of main coverage.

 



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 12:18 PM

It wasn't so much that the London based would be pro no Chris. It was that BBC Scotland bless them like Brian Taylor or other reporters have been in the campaign from the start. The issue was with the pantomime surrounding the three stooges coming up, the coverage they had and then Huw Edwards presenting an issue he doesn't understand when Brian Taylor could do this a million times better. The other argument was around proper scrutiny. There's spinning a story and there's using words which are complete lies and fabrication as has been found out. The BBC got caught out on this one.

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 12:22 PM

It's alright Scott, the BBC have just redressed the balance slightly and labelled a short Farage video with Sturgeon's details. :D

 

Oh no, maybe that's institutional bias, Project Fear or the Westminster conspiracy at work and people will now incorrectly believe Sturgeon is actually a bloke and is backing the No vote and maintaining the Union. :beat:


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 12:32 PM

The other argument was around proper scrutiny. There's spinning a story and there's using words which are complete lies and fabrication as has been found out.  

 

Politicians like Salmond should be scrutinised when they are pushing a country down a path of irrevicable change, on the basis of Nationalist sentiment and dubious economics..






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