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[chris_uk]

Aston - v8 vantage Masterari - one in recent topgear Porsche - gt3 rs 4.0 Gumpert - apollo Ascari - any of them Bmw - v10s are quite loud i think Tvr - any of them Im pretty sure they will be louder, possibly not on idle tho.

[PaulCP]

Dave, post it up on http://www.pepipoo.com/

I'd do it ASAP as there some very knowledgeable people on there.

Thanks for this. I have now registered an posted:

http://forums.pepipo...opic=68560&st=0

Dave, you need to review your post on pepipoo - you have stated that you get the fixed penalty notice due to excessive speed -

[davemate]

If it is of any help, you can find the manufacturers drive by noise levels if you do a search on http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk

2001NA VX220 74dB
2002NA VX220 73dB
2003T VX220 75dB (who said turbo's were quiet!)
2007T Europa 75dB

This is really helpful, thank you. I am now on the hunt for a car that is louder than mine as standard.

Loudest from 2003 is a BMX X5 at 76 db! which is miles ahead of the labo diablo and ferrari 545 for example. I can only assume that these are only idle noises and not the 3/4 throttle noises?!

[davemate]

Dave, post it up on http://www.pepipoo.com/

I'd do it ASAP as there some very knowledgeable people on there.

Thanks for this. I have now registered an posted:

http://forums.pepipo...o...=68560&st=0

Dave, you need to review your post on pepipoo - you have stated that you get the fixed penalty notice due to excessive speed -

Well spotted! I have now corrected this.

[davemate]

Aston - v8 vantage
Masterari - one in recent topgear
Porsche - gt3 rs 4.0
Gumpert - apollo
Ascari - any of them
Bmw - v10s are quite loud i think
Tvr - any of them

Im pretty sure they will be louder, possibly not on idle tho.

If anyone knows where I could get this data from relyably I would be interested to know their drive by and 3/4 throttle values ratehr than just idle. As I find it difficult to accept that if another car is allowed to have a certain value of DB and be deemed road legal, then why could another car not have this value.
(I am sadly caught up at work tonight and tomorrow and wont get a chance to go to a VOSA station as Atom suggested until Wednesday).

Edited by davemate, 20 February 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[techieboy]

It's no wonder Europe wants to ban R rated tyres and want us all on low rolling resistance tyres. I reckon my R888's alone will probably put me over those limits. I did dig out the EC Directive 92/97 and the UK wasn't a signatory (at the time) with most of the rest of the EU. Couldn't find out whether we've since signed up to it, or not, though.

[davemate]

It's no wonder Europe wants to ban R rated tyres and want us all on low rolling resistance tyres. I reckon my R888's alone will probably put me over those limits.

I did dig out the EC Directive 92/97 and the UK wasn't a signatory (at the time) with most of the rest of the EU. Couldn't find out whether we've since signed up to it, or not, though.

my worry with this test is now do they separate induction, tyre noise etc. as there isnt a single "car makes this amount of noise" limittation, it relates directlly to the exhaust noise. eg a Prius on battery wont make any noise, but the run flat tyres do... So what value would this car be given?!

[ghand]

So your car was under the 101 DB limit Gather all the paper work and request a court hearing and you will not hear from them again. Thats what I did,nice explanation of why you will fight it and they give up,with a bit of luck.

[techieboy]

What 101dB limit?

[davemate]

What 101dB limit?

SVA test limitation;

http://nw.rhocar.org...equirements.htm


out of interest, if i contest and loose, can they make it worse on me? i.e pay court costs etc?

Edited by davemate, 20 February 2012 - 05:13 PM.

[techieboy]

But our cars are type approved production cars and are therefore subject to whatever the prevailing limit is for the normal car (as measured for the original type approval). It's not something that needs to got through an SVA test like a kit car or manufacturer prototype, so that limit wont apply. Is it stupid that something you knock together in your garage is okay at 101dB but your modified production car is not okay at 97dB? Yes, of course it is. But until someone can clarify proper enforcable limits, we're going to be stuck with this confusion and whatever production limits apply.

[CocoPops]

As I posted on pepipoo (have an old account there also).... Could our cars be SVA tested? Would they pass? If they did.... then it rules teh cars legal right?

[ghand]

What 101dB limit?

SVA test limitation;

http://nw.rhocar.org...equirements.htm


out of interest, if i contest and loose, can they make it worse on me? i.e pay court costs etc?

How can you loose,its less than 101 dbs

When the plod sat at his desk reads your explanation your case goes on the "not sure" pile and you hear nothing.

Court costs,I will ask my mate who is a cop and told me to fight my case,well I say fight just the one letter and get backto you.

[techieboy]

Could our cars be SVA tested? Would they pass? If they did.... then it rules teh cars legal right?

I don't think so. Not without changing something significant, like the engine, to something different. Luke could possibly get his Audi'd VX into an SVA test.

[CocoPops]

Interestingly, guy on pepipoo reckons VOSA "might" test against just the exhaust section. So that might be worth investigating.

[ghand]

Costs He seem to think its up to the judge,some will say just pay the fine some will add on costs, so no help sorry If it was me I would contest it and hope they dond bother, but if they do you can always change you mind and pay before it goes to court. Nothing to loose.

[ghand]

Could our cars be SVA tested? Would they pass? If they did.... then it rules teh cars legal right?

I don't think so. Not without changing something significant, like the engine, to something different. Luke could possibly get his Audi'd VX into an SVA test.

So when the plod looks at the letter and it states the car has been modded with a sc,induction,exhaust,brakes, suspension,wheel, tyres,and was modded to comply with the SVA test, so was set below the 101 db limit as proved by the road side test
what will he do ?

Put it on the "not sure " pile

Edited by ghand, 20 February 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[Claws]

Just had a look at my loogbook for the 330ci...registered 8/2000 Section 'U' sound level : stationary - engine speed - drive by - The same goes for the emissions section, I believe the post 2001 cars have the emission details logged iirc. Could someone be kind enough to see if their later registered car has a figure in the logbook for section 'U'?

[Craig S]

2003 and the sound level is not recorded.

[Tfp]

It's easy for us all to say contest it, but easy to say if your not the person actually facing a day in court. I agree it all sounds a load of pants. I'm sure this new legislation was invented to tackle all the lads/lasses who bomb up and down seafronts with mega loud exhausts keeping residents up till late at night. If I stand at the back of my mates 355 when he revs that thing hard you have to put your hands over your ears, utterly stupid and unfair to give different rules to different cars of different build dates. It seems the euroc..ts are going to spoil all the fun. And the two missing letters are not R and A