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[techieboy]

It's 344Nm so is only 253ft/lbs and with a fcuking stupid 2.6" pulley that's probably killed his engine by now. Each step down in pulley size only adds 10-15ft/lbs along with higher inlet temps.

[ghand]

No good comparing peak figures. If you want to find how a car goes in a gear, work out the area under the torque graph. Of course you may only use a "band" of that, in which case look at the area under that part of the curve. - If its a narrow band you'll have to row the gearbox a lot more though.

No good comparing jack sh*t when you have a few high power VXs that can't keep up with a less than standard na as they have the wrong tyres on for the damp

Seems we need to see a SC and Turbo of same spec side by side to settle the debate

Edited by ghand, 05 June 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[haggi961]

Always thought that NM was the same as ft/lbs in number turns. Learn something knew everyday. It dont seem as good now

[JohnTurbo]

Lol. Yours does drive very well Mr Hand...if it was damp I'd have no chance! I've chased a 300hp SC down a track straight. There was nothing in it. (262bhp/306lbft) Anyones guess what gears we were in etc.... bring on the drag races!

Edited by JohnTurbo, 05 June 2012 - 08:03 PM.

[techieboy]

It dont seem as good now

[haggi961]

No good comparing peak figures. If you want to find how a car goes in a gear, work out the area under the torque graph. Of course you may only use a "band" of that, in which case look at the area under that part of the curve. - If its a narrow band you'll have to row the gearbox a lot more though.

No good comparing jack sh*t when you have a few high power VXs that can't keep up with a less than standard na as they have the wrong tyres on for the damp

Seems we need to see a SC and Turbo of same spec side by side to settle the debate

Im willing to have a side by side if there is any turbo lads wanting to. Just need to find somewhere safe to do it.
Is the A1 good enough

Edited by haggi961, 05 June 2012 - 08:08 PM.

[JohnTurbo]

Can we pretend we're racing for pink slips? (I presume these are knickers)

[ghand]

Lol. Yours does drive very well Mr Hand...if it was damp I'd have no chance!

I've chased a 300hp SC down a track straight. There was nothing in it. (262bhp/306lbft)

Anyones guess what gears we were in etc.... bring on the drag races!

Ha Ha what you mean is I just need another 100 bhp

The drag race !!! now that I would like to see.

I thought someone (was it Luke) was talking about doing something like this a while back.

I know straight line stuff is not for me or VX s but would be interesting and good to watch

Then can we do twisty's in the pissing rain

[JohnTurbo]

[Mike (Cliffie)]

No good comparing peak figures. If you want to find how a car goes in a gear, work out the area under the torque graph. Of course you may only use a "band" of that, in which case look at the area under that part of the curve. - If its a narrow band you'll have to row the gearbox a lot more though.

No good comparing jack sh*t when you have a few high power VXs that can't keep up with a less than standard na as they have the wrong tyres on for the damp

Seems we need to see a SC and Turbo of same spec side by side to settle the debate

SteveA and me did at Anglesey last year and there was nothing in it at all, him in a tubby, me in the SC.

Where the extra torque kicks in is the in-gear accelleration where the extra 110 lbft in the tubby just comes into its own.

[JohnTurbo]

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13.7 standard. I know this doesn't help much!

Edited by JohnTurbo, 05 June 2012 - 08:18 PM.

[ghand]

No good comparing peak figures. If you want to find how a car goes in a gear, work out the area under the torque graph. Of course you may only use a "band" of that, in which case look at the area under that part of the curve. - If its a narrow band you'll have to row the gearbox a lot more though.

No good comparing jack sh*t when you have a few high power VXs that can't keep up with a less than standard na as they have the wrong tyres on for the damp

Seems we need to see a SC and Turbo of same spec side by side to settle the debate

Im willing to have a side by side if there is any turbo lads wanting to. Just need to find somewhere safe to do it.
Is the A1 good enough

Not the Butter tubs pass then

I want px in yours on the day (I am only 11 stone) if thats ok

[haggi961]

Lol. Yours does drive very well Mr Hand...if it was damp I'd have no chance!

I've chased a 300hp SC down a track straight. There was nothing in it. (262bhp/306lbft)

Anyones guess what gears we were in etc.... bring on the drag races!

Ha Ha what you mean is I just need another 100 bhp

The drag race !!! now that I would like to see.

I thought someone (was it Luke) was talking about doing something like this a while back.

I know straight line stuff is not for me or VX s but would be interesting and good to watch

Then can we do twisty's in the pissing rain

Im pretending i didnt see it but my excuse was to wet/semi slicks

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Oooh, turbo vs Na/SC this one is older tha Nitron/Gaz I can't wait for the National!! It will be my first outing of the year, I just hope I can get the car to Courtenays in time or else I'm going to be on a base map..... Techie and co: Would you be worried about tracking on a stage III base map...?

[JohnTurbo]

I'd need someone lighter to drive mine. It'd be no good hauling my ass AND all that pig iron down a drag strip! TBH I'd take a set of semi slicks over 50bhp on a track. Jimmy, your yellow paint makes it look like you're going faster. It wouldn't be fair!

Edited by JohnTurbo, 05 June 2012 - 08:23 PM.

[haggi961]

Happy to give you a pax ride when dry or better still you race the side by side as we all no the extra weight in the vx (tubby boys) slows us down

Edited by haggi961, 05 June 2012 - 08:24 PM.

[ghand]

No good comparing peak figures. If you want to find how a car goes in a gear, work out the area under the torque graph. Of course you may only use a "band" of that, in which case look at the area under that part of the curve. - If its a narrow band you'll have to row the gearbox a lot more though.

No good comparing jack sh*t when you have a few high power VXs that can't keep up with a less than standard na as they have the wrong tyres on for the damp

Seems we need to see a SC and Turbo of same spec side by side to settle the debate

SteveA and me did at Anglesey last year and there was nothing in it at all, him in a tubby, me in the SC.

Where the extra torque kicks in is the in-gear accelleration where the extra 110 lbft in the tubby just comes into its own.

It seems a lot extra 110 lbft , you would think that would let the Turbo pull away all other thing being equal.

[haggi961]

I was told not to track it until the base map was removed as the fueling wasn't right.

[JohnTurbo]

The turbo throws a massive overboost peak at 3k, which soon drops off. The difference wouldn't realistically be as great as 110lbft I'd think.

[ghand]

Happy to give you a pax ride when dry or better still you race the side by side as we all no the extra weight in the vx (tubby boys) slows us down

Your on,Book me a seat,

I have 143 bhp so if i lost half the weight