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[slindborg]

Pass, No idea what the radicals use.... usually motorcycle powered vehicles have used EFI stuff, but some are moving onto others.

[Duncan VXR]

Is that price for conversion and mapping? Have to agree with others, 1 extra bonus is not been tied to any tuner of play yourself if desired DG

[Exmantaa]

Think we've been this route before... You will need a proper crank trigger (std 2.2's 7-1 pattern is a bit poor for resolution) plus a cam trigger for any decent aftermarket ecu and with those fitted I simply stick with my LSJ ecu + HP Tuners. Gives me enough flexibility for my goals and a conversion is not too expensive. Lot's of info available for SC-ed ecotecs and with their scanner software it's not hard to tune... And OEM for the Ecotec engine. (That's probably why Joe fitted it now. ) @Cliffie; fit a 58-2 crank triggerwheel and we can set you up for an LSJ ecu + HPTuners pretty cheap!

[siztenboots]

did you buy hptuner credits just for that ecu , i forget their licensing model but iirc for a single model you could program more than one ecu serial number?

[techieboy]

Exactly.

[siztenboots]

hptuners , single vehicle = 2 credits = $99 unlimited year/model = 6 credits = $299

[Exmantaa]

did you buy hptuner credits just for that ecu , i forget their licensing model but iirc for a single model you could program more than one ecu serial number?

The license system of HPTuners is the only frustrating thing, but still a lot cheaper compared to stand-alone:
You can license for a certain ecu ID#, so that particular ecu becomes free to program. Or you can unlock a complete model year (more credits), or years ($$) and then all ecu's from that model year are free for you.

But it will quite difficult to source several US ecu's all from the same model/year, so it's probably a lot easier to simply buy a cheap used LSJ ecu and use/buy a license for it. (with more ecu licenses you get "discount" on a model license)

On a sidenote; you can tune several different ecu's with HPTuners, so if you maybe fancy a corvette V8 engine in the future? Or more VX related; the 2.0 DI turbo LNF engine from the Opel GT maybe??

[Thealastair34]

at £1,500 its twice the price of say omex 600, i appriciate you will need afew sensors ontop but it seem a fair amount more just to be able to plug it straight in, unless there is something differnt about the 2.2 engine that the omex system couldnt run?

[slindborg]

the electronic throttle body for a start.....

[FLD]

Omex aren't the most accurate ECU's. I wouldn't use one.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Is the general consensus that the GEMS unit is OK and as long as it remains "owner" mappable it would be a good thing?

[Exmantaa]

Will also depend on what else is needed to make this run. The std Z22SE's ecu is pretty awkward with the 7-1 trigger and the compression sense ignition module. (computes cam phasing together with the ecu) If a different crank sensor is needed plus a new cam sensor (for sequential fuelling), a different/modded engine loom will be necessary. It all adds up...

[slindborg]

Ad if modding the harness, you then step into the realm of sodding off the plug and play with the oe plugs trick and doing it the 'traditional' way as it will be much cheaper/easier.

[NickB787]

If I pay for this I want an unlocked ecu with software

Because you know how to map a car Nick?

No Mike I don't know how to map a car, wouldn't mind learning something about it though, why I wanted it like this is because I plan to take the car with me to Aussie and I want something which can be accessed for future mapping by someone there not just here in the uk.

Edited by NickB777, 06 November 2012 - 09:03 PM.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

If I pay for this I want an unlocked ecu with software

Because you know how to map a car Nick?

No Mike I don't know how to map a car, wouldn't mind learning something about it though, why I wanted it like this is because I plan to take the car with me to Aussie and I want something which can be accessed for future mapping by someone there not just here in the uk.

Makes sense.

I can only ask the question but I am not pushing this development if there is no market for it.

[Thealastair34]

Omex aren't the most accurate ECU's. I wouldn't use one.

for what reason?

[davemate]

Please don't shoot me down in flames, but if I was going stand alone I would want a traction control system. I know "learn how to drive blah blah blah" but with syvecs and others this is an option. I would also like to be able to have a few maps I can apply- tune it down to 200 if I wanted and have a map for full power when I want. Drag and drop maps would mean I could let others drive it and enjoy a little of the fun. All for seeing the car mapped properly though.

[slindborg]

If I pay for this I want an unlocked ecu with software

Because you know how to map a car Nick?

No Mike I don't know how to map a car, wouldn't mind learning something about it though, why I wanted it like this is because I plan to take the car with me to Aussie and I want something which can be accessed for future mapping by someone there not just here in the uk.

Makes sense.

I can only ask the question but I am not pushing this development if there is no market for it.

I can see the pros of the product, but at the same time it is likely to have a lower uptake than that of the webCON throttle body kit... Reason is cost, 90% of modded z22 engines will cope fine enough with the calibration that courtenays can achieve, the other 10% might not want to spend half a supercharger cost just to eek some more go from it.
Maybe ditch the plug and play model and look at a more generic one that you might be able to sell in higher volumes and suit more of the VX modders as it'll be more accessible and have better reasoning for the purchase.

[siztenboots]

can't beat the trionic stuff for value for money

[Mike (Cliffie)]

If I pay for this I want an unlocked ecu with software

Because you know how to map a car Nick?

No Mike I don't know how to map a car, wouldn't mind learning something about it though, why I wanted it like this is because I plan to take the car with me to Aussie and I want something which can be accessed for future mapping by someone there not just here in the uk.

Makes sense.

I can only ask the question but I am not pushing this development if there is no market for it.

I can see the pros of the product, but at the same time it is likely to have a lower uptake than that of the webCON throttle body kit... Reason is cost, 90% of modded z22 engines will cope fine enough with the calibration that courtenays can achieve, the other 10% might not want to spend half a supercharger cost just to eek some more go from it.
Maybe ditch the plug and play model and look at a more generic one that you might be able to sell in higher volumes and suit more of the VX modders as it'll be more accessible and have better reasoning for the purchase.

Sage words Stu. I won't pursue it then.