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#3701 CHILL Gone DUTCH

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 05:30 PM

 

 

How is the brake bias? Not too much front now?? I struggled a lot with this on my car (std brakes on normal 288mm discs and RC6 pads) and now finally have a less front-heavy bias. So I'm able to brake later and brake-turn it into a corner, instead of locking the fronts up early...

What is your configuration?

 

 

Std brakes, std 288mm discs, RC6 pads. Toyo 888's 205-40-17 / 225-45 17. Quantums blacks. 550lb/ 650lb,  1 inch ARB. Around 115-130mm ride height.

 

Last trackday at Zandvoort I also disconnected the rear right ABS sensor (left front was already off) and that made the difference in more rear brake bias...

 

 

 

 

have you tried a switch in front of car to disable abs completely 



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Posted 16 August 2017 - 05:50 PM

@ chill I think you should go the brake ducting fog light route for your massive power and Track useage !

#3703 CHILL Gone DUTCH

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 06:03 PM

@ chill I think you should go the brake ducting fog light route for your massive power and Track useage !

 

already have  :tt:  thumbsup



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Posted 16 August 2017 - 10:13 PM

 

 

 

How is the brake bias? Not too much front now?? I struggled a lot with this on my car (std brakes on normal 288mm discs and RC6 pads) and now finally have a less front-heavy bias. So I'm able to brake later and brake-turn it into a corner, instead of locking the fronts up early...

What is your configuration?

 

 

Std brakes, std 288mm discs, RC6 pads. Toyo 888's 205-40-17 / 225-45 17. Quantums blacks. 550lb/ 650lb,  1 inch ARB. Around 115-130mm ride height.

 

Last trackday at Zandvoort I also disconnected the rear right ABS sensor (left front was already off) and that made the difference in more rear brake bias...

 

 

 

 

have you tried a switch in front of car to disable abs

 

 

Left front I always have disconnected to turns the ABS off on track. (Have a 4-channel Elise type, but it still feels not right on track.)

Also disconecting a rear sensor is said to turn off the "rear proportioning function" of the ABS module. It is at least having an effect on my car... thumbsup

 



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 07:41 AM

ive had a brief go of a car with the 4 channel ABS i have to be honest i didn't like it, you could feel interference with it, however it is a massive improvement on the oem ABS



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 11:56 AM

the RPV function is important

 

 
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Posted 17 August 2017 - 12:06 PM

Nice rake Lol steve ( sizeten) do you run a 9j rear wheel if so what offset have you got I did want a 8.5J et22 17" rear and a 7.5J et 20 16" at the front This keeps a wide range of tire options and looks like braid can do these sizes if I stick with TDs it looks like it will have to be a 9J

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 12:28 PM

rears 17" 9j et30 from memory , 2.5 degrees camber with the usual front 16" 7j et20

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 12:38 PM

rears 17" 9j et30 from memory , 2.5 degrees camber with the usual front 16" 7j et20

how close are these to the shocks and other parts of the car, assume you havent had any clearence issues



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 02:20 PM

 

the RPV function is important

 

 
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It is.... And that's why I was hesitating with switching it off...

But if I can now break to the limit on dry 888's from the Zanvoort straight, it's OK for me. :happy:

 

(Still need to make 2 nice switches under the bonnet)
 



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:41 PM

 

 

the RPV function is important

 

 
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It is.... And that's why I was hesitating with switching it off...

But if I can now break to the limit on dry 888's from the Zanvoort straight, it's OK for me. :happy:

 

(Still need to make 2 nice switches under the bonnet)
 

 

 

its deceptive but that pic has nothing to do with breaking...

 

what you cant see is Gods had trying to rip the luggage rack off the back FYI
 



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 04:00 PM

i thought the same stuwy, its rather that or there was a ramp 



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 06:14 PM

rears 17" 9j et30 from memory , 2.5 degrees camber with the usual front 16" 7j et20

 

can i ask where you got them from steve ?



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Posted 18 August 2017 - 07:19 AM

the RPV function is important

Sure, but just to add... Brake hardware on the VX wheel end is identical to that of the Rover S2 Elise. Same calipers, same pads, same piston sizes, etc. Rover S2 Elise of course does not have vacuum assist and ABS, but also no rear proportioning valve whatsoever, just straight brake lines from the MC. Also the master cylinder, while sized appropriately for non-assisted use, is a straight (single size) bore so there's no hidden pressure difference from a stepped-bore MC to give some form of additional biasing either. This was all basically carried over from the S1 'as is'.

 

So disabling the RPV function on a VX should basically turn it back into the same behaviour as an un-assisted Elise as far as distribution goes. Not more or less 'unsafe' than these. While the RPV is very useful, especially with ABS I'd argue that it would/should really be used on these cars to allow more rearward bias on the brakes than the 'bare' setup on the Elise provides.

 

The Elise is already a little front-heavy on the brake bias and can benefit from moving more bias to the rear (within reason..)

 

But... I expect the ABS/RPV system to be tuned/calibrated for a more 'saftey' oriented setup (even the Elise 4 channel one) so it likely tends to put the bias even more forward than it is without any intervention.

 

The latest Elise BOSCH ABS system (not compatible with the earlier units.. eg. Hall-effect wheel sensors) may do more in this area as it's combined with a TC/ESP function so has more feedback on the car movement and could allow more rearward biasing to maximise the full brake potential while keeping any hard-braking fishtailing or weaving under control.

 

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 10:01 AM

i thought the same stuwy, its rather that or there was a ramp 

 

It's fake.



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Posted 18 August 2017 - 10:41 AM

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Bit of info there seems to be 3 exige v6 entered tomorrow in my class hoping I can repeat what happened at croft, but not expecting the margin I had at croft due to the tires being well past there best, and if it rains I think I will be needing a paddle on these tires (R888R)

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 11:31 AM

 

i thought the same stuwy, its rather that or there was a ramp 

 

It's fake.

 

It's Thorney adding lightness.

 

Edit. It is Thorney, isn't it?


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 08:37 AM

 

i thought the same stuwy, its rather that or there was a ramp 

  It's fake.  
It's Thorney adding lightness.   Edit. It is Thorney, isn't it?
Letter heading your way! Lol.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:23 AM

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Shiny shiny
Ready for a eventful sprint at Anglesey tomorrow

Bit of info there seems to be 3 exige v6 entered tomorrow in my class hoping I can repeat what happened at croft, but not expecting the margin I had at croft due to the tires being well past there best, and if it rains I think I will be needing a paddle on these tires (R888R)

Looks like the weather is brightening up on the webcam!

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:38 AM

It's really cold and windy First lap was terrible no grip at all Couldent stop it going up the backstraight Might need a lift on next run just to get a clean lap in




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