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[JimmyJamJerusalem]

 

I've almost lost the will to live with this thread and all the number quoting and who has the most droop Have we come to a conclusion or do I need to get a tape measure and pull my 46's off the car?

your guess is as good as mine, seems to be they are all different?

 

 

See THIS is the problem in the thread.  At the nearest opportunity Simon casts the air of doubt for no good reason.  You can see we're addressing the possibility of short dampers so quit these little jibes.

 

In reality, within this thread there have been a number of people with short open lengths.  Namely

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

 

Not one of those are standard Nitron spec.  They are all custom spec by various tuners and none are correct.

 

Ray -

 

ALL 46's have sufficient droop, their open length is around 420mm so very good.

 

Post 2012 40's have 64.5mm of droop (at -15mm ride height) which is 11.1mm less than Quantums (at the damper).  Still vrey much a fair amount of droop.

 

Before that we're not quite sure......  I am asking anybody with early 40's to check their open lengths and get back to me if they have concerns as I am designing a solution and speaking to Nitron.

 

 

I think we should start a new thread about this and perhaps lock this one as people are going round in circles a little and where there's doubt people start to stir....

[cnrandall]

 

I've almost lost the will to live with this thread and all the number quoting and who has the most droop Have we come to a conclusion or do I need to get a tape measure and pull my 46's off the car?

your guess is as good as mine, seems to be they are all different?

 

 

There are a few permutations.  We all know there was a mistake with the early kits... When I clocked it I took a car over to Nitron and ran through the issues and came up with a setup I was happy with and Guy came up with a setup that he preferred.  On the basis that we were both present and correct during the learning phase with respect to these basic parameters, on either your car or mine, its no surprise that my dampers parameters will be similar to yours and that Guy's are different.  Maybe we are right, maybe Guy is right.  As far as preference goes, personally I would sooner spec a damper that uses all the available stroke but having 20 or 30mm or droop doesn't mean the dampers aren't fit for purpose and there maybe sound thinking behind the spec. Not many people live in the world you or I do where we are dealing with our own driving style in an environment where the stopwatch is the only factor of concern.  Different people respond to different setups, this isn't black and white.

[cnrandall]

 

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

 

Not one of those are standard Nitron spec.  They are all custom spec by various tuners and none are correct.

 

 

 

 

Not quite, if any dampers supplied by me are too short then they were sold before I created a custom spec for the VX.  Before then I had been making the assumption that the standard VX lengths were the same as 111R.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

 

 

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

 

Not one of those are standard Nitron spec.  They are all custom spec by various tuners and none are correct.

 

 

 

 

Not quite, if any dampers supplied by me are too short then they were sold before I created a custom spec for the VX.  Before then I had been making the assumption that the standard VX lengths were the same as 111R.

 

 

Yeah sorry Chris, wasn't pointing the finger.  i actually bought your spec 40's for my VXR a month or two after Sticky and they were spot on

[Sticky]

 

 

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

 

Not one of those are standard Nitron spec.  They are all custom spec by various tuners and none are correct.

 

 

 

 

Not quite, if any dampers supplied by me are too short then they were sold before I created a custom spec for the VX.  Before then I had been making the assumption that the standard VX lengths were the same as 111R.

 

But the valving is your spec?

[JohnTurbo]

Mine are old, Elise s2 shockers.

 

My "Shocks too short" thread.   http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/topic/120152-nitron-ntr-questions-ie-how-does-one-swap-springs/

 

One of my rods is corroded at the very bottom, and I could use a rebuild too.

- so if longer rods + extra stop is the only answer i'll try and go for that.

[vocky]

I have SACHS shocks on mine so had a quick measure.

 

Rear height is set at 125mm and the wheel droop is 60mm

[cnrandall]

 

 

 

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

 

Not one of those are standard Nitron spec.  They are all custom spec by various tuners and none are correct.

 

 

 

 

Not quite, if any dampers supplied by me are too short then they were sold before I created a custom spec for the VX.  Before then I had been making the assumption that the standard VX lengths were the same as 111R.

 

But the valving is your spec?

 

Yes, on the vx220 the only difference back then was the valving.  

[cnrandall]

 

 

Yeah sorry Chris, wasn't pointing the finger.  i actually bought your spec 40's for my VXR a month or two after Sticky and they were spot on

 

I know you're not mate.  

[Sticky]

 

 

 

 

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

 

Not one of those are standard Nitron spec.  They are all custom spec by various tuners and none are correct.

 

 

 

 

Not quite, if any dampers supplied by me are too short then they were sold before I created a custom spec for the VX.  Before then I had been making the assumption that the standard VX lengths were the same as 111R.

 

But the valving is your spec?

 

Yes, on the vx220 the only difference back then was the valving.  

 

Great!

 

Having reflected on this situation (alot) over the past few weeks I, as a consumer, would have been happy to have got a call from Chris/Hofmanns saying 'we sold you some dampers 6 months ago but as we are constantly refining and improving our products we can now offer an improved item for the following reasons.............the cost will be........(perhaps consider a discount on that) rather than 3 years later and 15 pages of too and fro.

 

Just a thought.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

I have SACHS shocks on mine so had a quick measure.

 

Rear height is set at 125mm and the wheel droop is 60mm

 

60mm wheel droop is ok, means your open length will be about 407mm.  I know the Sachs are progressive springs and have great comfort on the road (I had a set).  Would be nice to know the closed length so we could see how much bump there is and if it's within the wishbone articulation but I'm guessing it'll be around 40mm....

[cnrandall]

Great!

Yes, on the vx220 the only difference back then was the valving.  

 

 

 

Having reflected on this situation (alot) over the past few weeks I, as a consumer, would have been happy to have got a call from Chris/Hofmanns saying 'we sold you some dampers 6 months ago but as we are constantly refining and improving our products we can now offer an improved item for the following reasons.............the cost will be........(perhaps consider a discount on that) rather than 3 years later and 15 pages of too and fro.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

I hear you although do bear in mind that this is low margin, low volume stuff, we don't build empires on distributing Nitrons!  The ones you have are perfectly fit for purpose, and clearly haven't presented you with any problems in the time you have used them and there are no safety concerns.  We constantly upgrade this stuff and we can't offer every upgrade on a cost/FOC basis to ever past customer, it just doesn't stack up. 

[Sticky]

 

Great!

Yes, on the vx220 the only difference back then was the valving.  

 

 

 

Having reflected on this situation (alot) over the past few weeks I, as a consumer, would have been happy to have got a call from Chris/Hofmanns saying 'we sold you some dampers 6 months ago but as we are constantly refining and improving our products we can now offer an improved item for the following reasons.............the cost will be........(perhaps consider a discount on that) rather than 3 years later and 15 pages of too and fro.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

I hear you although do bear in mind that this is low margin, low volume stuff, we don't build empires on distributing Nitrons!  The ones you have are perfectly fit for purpose, and clearly haven't presented you with any problems in the time you have used them and there are no safety concerns.  We constantly upgrade this stuff and we can't offer every upgrade on a cost/FOC basis to ever past customer, it just doesn't stack up. 

 

Appreciate the slim margins which is why I said 'consider'. Also, as you said a small number slipped through the net, so identifying these wouldn't be too tricky

 

You might have considered to offer the chance of an upgrade at the full price then it would be up to the buyer to choose. 

[JG]

40mm drop on my NTRs

 

Wheel leaves contact with ground with undertray at 165mm and once all settled undertray is at 125mm (the ride height)

[FLD]

In reality, within this thread there have been a number of people with short open lengths.  Namely

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2 FLD

Gary2kk

 

 

 

Shouls I consider getting my 'new' shocks modded for extra droop before fitting?

[cnrandall]

 

 

Great!

Yes, on the vx220 the only difference back then was the valving.  

 

 

 

Having reflected on this situation (alot) over the past few weeks I, as a consumer, would have been happy to have got a call from Chris/Hofmanns saying 'we sold you some dampers 6 months ago but as we are constantly refining and improving our products we can now offer an improved item for the following reasons.............the cost will be........(perhaps consider a discount on that) rather than 3 years later and 15 pages of too and fro.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

I hear you although do bear in mind that this is low margin, low volume stuff, we don't build empires on distributing Nitrons!  The ones you have are perfectly fit for purpose, and clearly haven't presented you with any problems in the time you have used them and there are no safety concerns.  We constantly upgrade this stuff and we can't offer every upgrade on a cost/FOC basis to ever past customer, it just doesn't stack up. 

 

Appreciate the slim margins which is why I said 'consider'. Also, as you said a small number slipped through the net, so identifying these wouldn't be too tricky

 

You might have considered to offer the chance of an upgrade at the full price then it would be up to the buyer to choose. 

 

 

I didn't even realise there was a problem until a couple of weeks ago and since 3 years ago I have different accountants and a completely different management system so it would be a needle in a haystack job to weed out aged VX220 customers.  That, along with the fact that there have been zero complaints and only a Schuffham sh*t-stirring/one-upmanship thread on here doesn't really constitute the Spanish inquisition!  However, I am, and remain, happy to help wherever possible.  

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

40mm drop on my NTRs

 

Wheel leaves contact with ground with undertray at 165mm and once all settled undertray is at 125mm (the ride height)

 

Strictly speaking though, that's not at the wheels.  the undertray is further inboard that the outside of the wheel.  If both rear wheels we jacked up then this measuring point would be fine.  best method to measure is as Simon did with the yellow lotus

[JG]

Well i think everyone reading this thread has been among forums enough to realise that this isn't really an issue.

 

As Chris says, 100s of sets of Nitrons sold, not one compliant.

 

Of course any optimisation is always a good thing and shouldn't be discouraged.

[JG]

 

40mm drop on my NTRs

 

Wheel leaves contact with ground with undertray at 165mm and once all settled undertray is at 125mm (the ride height)

 

Strictly speaking though, that's not at the wheels.  the undertray is further inboard that the outside of the wheel.  If both rear wheels we jacked up then this measuring point would be fine.  best method to measure is as Simon did with the yellow lotus

 

 

agreed, though in reality the error is no more than 5mm

[CocoPops]

.....so it would be a needle in a haystack job to weed out aged VX220 customers.  

Not really... You're posting on the main vx220 forum, so it wouldn't have been too hard.