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[JimmyJamJerusalem]

 

 

 

I've almost lost the will to live with this thread and all the number quoting and who has the most droop

Have we come to a conclusion or do I need to get a tape measure and pull my 46's off the car?

your guess is as good as mine, seems to be they are all different?

 

 

See THIS is the problem in the thread.  At the nearest opportunity Simon casts the air of doubt for no good reason.  You can see we're addressing the possibility of short dampers so quit these little jibes.

 

In reality, within this thread there have been a number of people with short open lengths.  Namely

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

 

Not one of those are standard Nitron spec.  They are all custom spec by various tuners and none are correct.

 

 

I'm on standard Nitrons specs (40 dia 2 ways) with short open lengths

 

 

 

 

Could you measure the open length for me at some point (eye center to eye center) and we can look to improve the situation if possible   Where/when did you get them?

 

 

So Exmantaa has raised concerns with his shocks also and it turns out his are not standard either.

 

Open length issues

 

Non standard VX220 orders

 

Sticky

Crabash

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2

Gary2kk

Exmantaa

JohnTurbo

 

Standard orders

 

2-20

 

 

Lets just get on with this and stop the digs though guys that will just prevent any positive outcome to this

[alexb]

Can you add me to that list too pretty please? Mine are non-standard I think was the conclusion

[Crabash]

Exmantaa has mine they are one and the same.

[FLD]

Open length issues

 

Non standard VX220 orders

 

Sticky

Crabash Exmantaa

Alanoo

LeeVX2.2 FLD

Gary2kk

JohnTurbo

 

Standard orders

 

2-20

 

List edited for accuracy.

 

Edited by FLD, 25 July 2013 - 10:39 AM.

[Scuffers]

There's only half a story there with Alanoo's post and someone has been editing his posts to hide the fact.....

 

Suffers has quoted Alanoo but this part of Alanoos original post has been removed

 

People removing comments like that are sneaky as it's only half a story!!!  Articulation limit issue is clearly a factor but if everything is backed off so your shock is offering no real metering then of course limits will be reached. 

sorry?

 

his post is available for all to see already in this thread, I just trimmed the irrelevant part to the point I was highlighting, not to 'hide the facts' as you so graciously put it.

 

there is actually nothing to hide, except people trying to suggest that there is no problem and no damage occurring because of these issues.

 

Yes, this thread has now got to the point of people being bitchy and getting all huffy, however, in the cold light of day, there are lessons to be learned here for everybody, one of which is not to ignore issues in the hope that (1) they will go away or (2) cause the punter will never know.

 

the upside to all this for the wider VX community is that people have learned something and will now be looking at this kind of thing with more basic knowledge..

 

As I have said before, what's needed is a clear understanding of that spec dampers have been shipped and from this what the ideal solution is  - (and I don't consider just adding bump rubbers is the proper and permanent fix for anything).

 

I still think that ideally your looking for ~420-430mm open length with ~90-100mm of stroke for the VX rears.

[cnrandall]

 

sorry?

 

his post is available for all to see already in this thread, I just trimmed the irrelevant part to the point I was highlighting, not to 'hide the facts' as you so graciously put it.

 

there is actually nothing to hide, except people trying to suggest that there is no problem and no damage occurring because of these issues.

 

Yes, this thread has now got to the point of people being bitchy and getting all huffy, however, in the cold light of day, there are lessons to be learned here for everybody, one of which is not to ignore issues in the hope that (1) they will go away or (2) cause the punter will never know.

 

the upside to all this for the wider VX community is that people have learned something and will now be looking at this kind of thing with more basic knowledge..

 

As I have said before, what's needed is a clear understanding of that spec dampers have been shipped and from this what the ideal solution is  - (and I don't consider just adding bump rubbers is the proper and permanent fix for anything).

 

I still think that ideally your looking for ~420-430mm open length with ~90-100mm of stroke for the VX rears.

 

 

Trouble is there are a mixture of issues.  

 

One of these issues, involving the early dampers with one bump stop, is critical.  AFAIK I think the dampers I supplied, before spotting the limited droop travel, had the twin bump stops but it sounds like I might be wrong?  So far I have had a discussion with one customer who had limited droop but twin bump stops but I am yet to hear directly from anybody else.  

 

Nitron and the respective suppliers on this forum are universally up for helping solve problems and I hope that's clear for all to see.

 

Some of the info highlighted on this thread is genuinely useful but the presentation of said info is often less so.  Wouldn't it be better if we can use this thread to get the job done in the right spirit.  We are all here as VX enthusiasts with broadly the same goals after all.

[techieboy]

Wouldn't it be better if we can use this thread to get the job done in the right spirit.

And thanks for taking an interest in resolving any potential issues on the kit you've supplied over the years. I don't think I'll have as much joy via TMS.

[Sticky]

Twin bump stops?

 

 

[cnrandall]

I see two

[Sticky]

So we're happy with that?

[JG]

I've got 2 also.

[Bumblebee]

Think i need to check my 2 ways

Edited by Bumblebee, 25 July 2013 - 12:24 PM.

[Rosssco]

Cornering Force spec NTR 40mm (delivered 2010) - ~402mm (eye center - eye center), twin bumpstops

[cnrandall]

So we're happy with that?

 

It stops the wishbone colliding which is why its there.  I would much prefer it if the dampers were all longer both in the body/rod from the outset and that we were having this conversation at all!

[FLD]

Just one bump stop for me, should I get another one added in?

[Bumblebee]

Cornering Force spec NTR 40mm (delivered 2010) - ~402mm (eye center - eye center), twin bumpstops

So I'm guessing mine should be ok going by the above? Although I already had the 2 ways before I went to cornering force and he revalved them etc?

[cnrandall]

Just one bump stop for me, should I get another one added in?

 

If the damper is short, yes.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

@FLD actually this is more accurate

 

Open length issues

 

 

Non standard VX220 orders

 

Sticky

Crabash Exmantaa

Alanoo

Gary2kk,  LeeVX2.2,  FLD

JohnTurbo

Alexb

 

Standard orders

 

2-20

 

FLD I'm guessing you have 395 open length.  If so update the list with your open length then if there's enough 395's out there I can get a run of parts made to rectify this issue.

 

 

 

 

There's only half a story there with Alanoo's post and someone has been editing his posts to hide the fact.....

 

Suffers has quoted Alanoo but this part of Alanoos original post has been removed

 

People removing comments like that are sneaky as it's only half a story!!!  Articulation limit issue is clearly a factor but if everything is backed off so your shock is offering no real metering then of course limits will be reached. 

sorry?

 

his post is available for all to see already in this thread, I just trimmed the irrelevant part to the point I was highlighting, not to 'hide the facts' as you so graciously put it.

 

there is actually nothing to hide, except people trying to suggest that there is no problem and no damage occurring because of these issues.

 

Yes, this thread has now got to the point of people being bitchy and getting all huffy, however, in the cold light of day, there are lessons to be learned here for everybody, one of which is not to ignore issues in the hope that (1) they will go away or (2) cause the punter will never know.

 

the upside to all this for the wider VX community is that people have learned something and will now be looking at this kind of thing with more basic knowledge..

 

As I have said before, what's needed is a clear understanding of that spec dampers have been shipped and from this what the ideal solution is  - (and I don't consider just adding bump rubbers is the proper and permanent fix for anything).

 

I still think that ideally your looking for ~420-430mm open length with ~90-100mm of stroke for the VX rears.

 

 

Simon, sorry you took offense but it really wasn't aimed at you.  The original post you quoted had been modified so you did nothing wrong.  Certainly wasn't suggesting you were doing that as you are not able to modify other members posts.  I should have been clearer with that, sorry.

 

I'm not being huffy in the slightest, I think this is getting somewhere now

 

 

 

[Aerodynamic]

 

 

There is no need to bring Gaz into this Jimmy that is unfair. Just out of interest, what shocks are half the top ten runners in Elise Trophy running; Nitron or Quantum?

 

 

Whats the answer Mike?

 

Do you really want to know?

 

Yes, I thought about buying new dampers this autum but I probably buy them early next year.

And I want as good dampers I can get for the price I´m willing to pay.

 

BR, Per

[Dave E]

Got mine May 2008 and run 110mm rear ride height with 550 ft/lb eibach spring and to my knowledge I've never touched a wishbone and always put the limited spinning of the inner wheel to having 300+ ft/lb of torque, no LSD and the deft touch of a sledge hammer with my right foot. After reading all this I will measure mine tomorrow when I replace ANOTHER inner cv boot (yes yes ride height blah blah blah ) and post my finding but if I didn't realise there was a problem before it couldn't have been much of a problem to start with IMHO but any optimisation would be welcome. But then again I drive a tubby so don't really do the whole cornering thing