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[techieboy]

Do you no which pistons they are

No idea. Just that the pistons and rings are different part numbers between the E/L and the R engines. Knowing Saab, something they spec'd themselves without resorting to the GM parts bin.

[Rosssco]

We up dating the rods and pistons as a minimal Probably a lot more to

 

Eh? I'm lost... So why are you buying a new Saab engine?

 

I thought the intention was to use the stronger bottom end of the Saab engine? To avoid the stripping / rebuilding process, which you're going to have to do when stretching it to a 2.2...

 

Just buy a used Saab head and rebuild the Z22SE block.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Ok if vocky Wants one that's all 5 sold Or is there more available

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

We up dating the rods and pistons as a minimal Probably a lot more to

  Eh? I'm lost... So why are you buying a new Saab engine?   I thought the intention was to use the stronger bottom end of the Saab engine? To avoid the stripping / rebuilding process, which you're going to have to do when stretching it to a 2.2...   Just buy a used Saab head and rebuild the Z22SE block.

It won't require re bored etc etc And it's brand new

[2deano5]

As Chill said, 

 

You could get a second hand engine (£300) at least but then might want/need new oil pump, new water pump,  rebore, 2 chain kits , etc etc etc

When you do the Man Maths if you want an as new engine then new works out cheaper especially if you can't do the work yourself.

 

Yes there will still be additional cost gaskets etc but they apply to both 

[Rosssco]

 

 

We up dating the rods and pistons as a minimal Probably a lot more to

  Eh? I'm lost... So why are you buying a new Saab engine?   I thought the intention was to use the stronger bottom end of the Saab engine? To avoid the stripping / rebuilding process, which you're going to have to do when stretching it to a 2.2...   Just buy a used Saab head and rebuild the Z22SE block.

It won't require re bored etc etc And it's brand new

 

 

Furry muff. I was just confused as you said previously you were aiming for ~300bhp and not bothered about going much over 7k rpm. A standard Saab engine (with a ported head, and NA cams and a decent exhaust) should pretty much get you there, without the need to rebuild your brand spank bottom end with noisy pistons ;-)

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

 

 

We up dating the rods and pistons as a minimal Probably a lot more to

  Eh? I'm lost... So why are you buying a new Saab engine?   I thought the intention was to use the stronger bottom end of the Saab engine? To avoid the stripping / rebuilding process, which you're going to have to do when stretching it to a 2.2...   Just buy a used Saab head and rebuild the Z22SE block.

It won't require re bored etc etc And it's brand new  

  Furry muff. I was just confused as you said previously you were aiming for ~300bhp and not bothered about going much over 7k rpm. A standard Saab engine (with a ported head, and NA cams and a decent exhaust) should pretty much get you there, without the need to rebuild your brand spank bottom end with noisy pistons ;-)

Future proof engine Don't forget I also said originally 250 was enough

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 15 August 2013 - 11:05 AM.

[Rosssco]

 

 

 

 

We up dating the rods and pistons as a minimal Probably a lot more to

  Eh? I'm lost... So why are you buying a new Saab engine?   I thought the intention was to use the stronger bottom end of the Saab engine? To avoid the stripping / rebuilding process, which you're going to have to do when stretching it to a 2.2...   Just buy a used Saab head and rebuild the Z22SE block.

It won't require re bored etc etc And it's brand new  

  Furry muff. I was just confused as you said previously you were aiming for ~300bhp and not bothered about going much over 7k rpm. A standard Saab engine (with a ported head, and NA cams and a decent exhaust) should pretty much get you there, without the need to rebuild your brand spank bottom end with noisy pistons ;-)

Future proof engine Don't forget I also said originally 250 was enough

 

 

Because the M62 pretty much runs out of puff just over ~300. And you haven't cleared a new SC with the wife ;-)

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

 

 

 

 

We up dating the rods and pistons as a minimal Probably a lot more to

  Eh? I'm lost... So why are you buying a new Saab engine?   I thought the intention was to use the stronger bottom end of the Saab engine? To avoid the stripping / rebuilding process, which you're going to have to do when stretching it to a 2.2...   Just buy a used Saab head and rebuild the Z22SE block.

It won't require re bored etc etc And it's brand new  

  Furry muff. I was just confused as you said previously you were aiming for ~300bhp and not bothered about going much over 7k rpm. A standard Saab engine (with a ported head, and NA cams and a decent exhaust) should pretty much get you there, without the need to rebuild your brand spank bottom end with noisy pistons ;-)

Future proof engine Don't forget I also said originally 250 was enough  

  Because the M62 pretty much runs out of puff just over ~300. And you haven't cleared a new SC with the wife ;-)

One shock at a time lets get the motor built first then I can look at chargers

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Do you no which pistons they are

No idea. Just that the pistons and rings are different part numbers between the E/L and the R engines. Knowing Saab, something they spec'd themselves without resorting to the GM parts bin.

I was originally going to go for the b207 r But vocky talked me out of it because cams are poo

[techieboy]

I was originally going to go for the b207 r But vocky talked me out of it because cams are poo

Yep, the R cams are also different and did absolutely nothing beneficial when we tried a pair on my engine (though could conceivably have been down to timing them properly to suit a different engine?). Theoretically, they should be a better match but results showed the opposite and I replaced them with the Comp Cams blower cams and got an instant 30bhp across the board. I'd be more worried about the unknown spec of the E/L pistons but obviously not an issue if you're going to downgrade to aftermarket slappers.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

[Exmantaa]

Ok if vocky Wants one that's all 5 sold Or is there more available

 

What will be the price for 9 or 10 new B207's?

 

Ps, thought the R had only different cams and turbo fiitted compared to the E/L versions (and ecu mapping off course) Different pistons rings seems very odd to me...

 

Ps2; the R cam profile lift is almost similar to the Z22SE cam profile, but with different timing. Just drop Z22SE or Comp cams in, or a pair of used LSJ's.  

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

  What will be the price for 9 or 10 new B207's? Artic monkey has been in touch with them Hopefully he will be along soon to she'd some light on this

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 15 August 2013 - 12:18 PM.

[Tony H]

  Can you post the bit to the right that is cut off please? Not planning to increase the power at the moment but might go for the steel billet tensioners when I get my chain done in case I change my mind in the future.

[techieboy]

[techieboy]

Ps, thought the R had only different cams and turbo fiitted compared to the E/L versions (and ecu mapping off course) Different pistons rings seems very odd to me...

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I only started this thread because I wanted to do the rods on my z22se

[ArticMonkey]

I'll email them later as busy at work.

[techieboy]

What will be the price for 9 or 10 new B207's?

Does that mean Saabpartners are no good? Almost just bought a new B207R bottom end from them due to man maths formulas.