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[smiley]

So the US guys run happy up to 400 on their stock lsj's.

 

From the lsj buildbook:

 

[color=rgb(255,0,0);]The team started with the[/color]

[color=rgb(255,0,0);]2.0L long block from the[/color]

[color=rgb(255,0,0);]Ecotec Turbo engine that was[/color]

[color=rgb(255,0,0);]soon to be released in the Saab[/color]

[color=rgb(255,0,0);]front wheel drive cars[/color]. The

forged crankshaft and connecting

rods loaded in this engine

make it a stout package that

can handle the stresses created

by the supercharger.

 

http://www.gmsportco..._Build_Book.pdf

 

So what are the chances that saab downgrated the enforced internals later in life in that block?

 

Only reference for failure near the 300 mark is from another GM cookbook at 300 for lsj (thus B207)

Edited by smiley, 27 September 2013 - 09:10 AM.

[ArticMonkey]

PM's have been sent out. Please conact me if you want to be put on the list I'll be sending Neo Brothers. You will not get this dicount without this.

[smiley]

ding dong....... hmmmm

 

[ArticMonkey]

ding dong....... hmmmm

 

 

 

Do the pallets and wrapping cost the extra £250?

[smiley]

Don't push it monkeyman

 

These are R's anyway, instead of those cheap ass breakable E/L's you guys are getting.

[Exmantaa]

 

ding dong....... hmmmm

 

 

 

Do the pallets and wrapping cost the extra £250?

 

 

Still amazed how you talked their pricing down from ~800+VAT to this black market price...

Do you know what exact spec block you get now and what's included??

 

Might have to order some spare blocks through Neo bros...

[alexb]

ding dong....... hmmmm

 

 

If this is the unbreakable R, why do you need 2? And are they that close to the garbage bin for a reason?

 

OK, I'm jealous, I admit it
 

[techieboy]

These are R's anyway, instead of those cheap ass breakable E/L's you guys are getting.

 

So, if the E/L's are exactly the same as the R's (with the exception of the cams and turbo), why did you boys pay the premium for the R engine?

[Speedy4Fun]

 

If this is the unbreakable R, why do you need 2? And are they that close to the garbage bin for a reason?

 

OK, I'm jealous, I admit it  

 

 

I count four engines, two each pallet

[smiley]

 

 

If this is the unbreakable R, why do you need 2?  

 

6. Check out page 10.

[smiley]

 

These are R's anyway, instead of those cheap ass breakable E/L's you guys are getting.

 

So, if the E/L's are exactly the same as the R's (with the exception of the cams and turbo), why did you boys pay the premium for the R engine?

 

 

Because we can

[Graeme Lambert]

 

These are R's anyway, instead of those cheap ass breakable E/L's you guys are getting.

 

So, if the E/L's are exactly the same as the R's (with the exception of the cams and turbo), why did you boys pay the premium for the R engine?

 

 

Are we actually 100% sure they are though?

 

G

[techieboy]

Are we actually 100% sure they are though?

 

I'm certainly not. Are you?

[NickB787]

My concern is I want to bolt the harrop onto it and go close to 400bhp without changing anything, but can I do that?

[smiley]

So, who's gonna buy an R and an E, take the pistons out and compare them?

With Graeme's help, it looks like the pistons are al the same:

http://www.uksaabs.c...189145#p1189145

 

Question remains; will they break at 300, or can it be streched?

 

 

 

Edited by smiley, 27 September 2013 - 11:39 AM.

[Exmantaa]

 

These are R's anyway, instead of those cheap ass breakable E/L's you guys are getting.

 

So, if the E/L's are exactly the same as the R's (with the exception of the cams and turbo), why did you boys pay the premium for the R engine?

 

 

Well, that simply because we bought them just before :9mm:Monkeyman performed his magic trick on the Neo bros...  

But still like to know what you exact engine specs you get for the 714...

The above delivered 4 are complete 2011 R's, minus the turbo inlet/outlet manifolds, the vacuum pump and the ecu/wiring.

[Graeme Lambert]

 

Are we actually 100% sure they are though?

 

I'm certainly not. Are you?

 

 

Nope,

I'm too much of a mechanical numpty to be sure.

I am nearly sure, that for my application (of around the 280-300bhp that an M62 can handle)  the stock B207 E/L will be enough for my needs - as I'd be keeping it 2.0 with standard internals. Just means I wouldn't be bolting a Harrop on in the future...

 

G

[smiley]

Just means I wouldn't be bolting a Harrop on in the future...

 

 

Or let others do the stresstesting R&D for a year.

End of next season we will know more.

Edited by smiley, 27 September 2013 - 12:11 PM.

[vocky]

My concern is I want to bolt the harrop onto it and go close to 400bhp without changing anything, but can I do that?

that will not happen, at the bare minimum you need to fit the blower cams and whilst the engine is out not doing balancer delete would be a crime

[ArticMonkey]

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[color=#222222;][font="arial, sans-serif;"]The group buy price is £595+VAT so £714 for the engine. This is for a Saab B207 engine, no alternator, starter motor, inlet manifold, exhaust manifold and fuel rail. Currently checking what spec engine (E,L,R)[/color][/font]

 

 

[color=#222222;][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Collection is possible or delivery to a UK address (excluding Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales) at £54.[/color][/font]

 

 

[color=#222222;][font="arial, sans-serif;"](I will be collecting mine myself and taking to our in house engine God Vocky. I'm happy to collect anyone else’s at the same time to take to him for a small contribution in fuel).[/color][/font]

 

 

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