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[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Maybe cams and springs to

[Exmantaa]

And adding to this you will need OBD-Tuner to get the 2.0 decently running. Or otherwise a (some) trip(s) to CS for custom mapping...

 

Dare I say LSJ ecu swap?   

[ArticMonkey]

Well if you had looked into the cost of a rebuild on the current vx engine you'd know why. It will cost me this to build my current engine to harrop spec.... New water pump £60 New oil pump £300 New chain kits £260 Saab head with Saab sodium valves £200 Saab sump £60 Head gasket £50 Generic gasket £50 Rear main oil seal £25 Valve stem seals £25 Buy a brand new engine for £960 spend/sell... (Spend) Z22se crank £80 (Sell) z22se complete engine with 40k £300-400 Doesn't take a mathematician to work out what one is best. Plus you get a more square engine for better revving. Piston oil jets that cool the pistons and means less fuel needed to cool them (more power).

[haggi961]

So would this engine be the sort of thing I need do you reckon. Not really read into why everyone is wanting one.

[Bargi]

So would this engine be the sort of thing I need do you reckon. Not really read into why everyone is wanting one.

 

Because Techie grumps on about his forged Z22SE and has put everyone off it...

 

 

 

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

And most Z22se are getting some good mileage on them now New 0 miles engine this was

[PHB1969]

So can someone summarise the cost of keeping the Z22SE and going from stage 2 to stage 3 versus the cost of the Saab engine and going to stage 3. My stage 2 setup has a full 2.5" Tullett. Will the engine remain as a 2.2 or drop to a 2.0. I'd rather keep the standard ecu or go Dutch......

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Even with new saab engine it will stay 2.2 if you change crank, If you go for external trigger wheel option it will be 2.o ( I think ) It's cheaper to go for new saab engine rather than update z22se but I would recommend Dutch software which will get it closer to being a similar conversion cost But you have advantage of being on the Dutch software

[Kieran McC]

The quote I had for uprating my Z22SE engine with rods. pistons head work and labour ,was far more expensive than going for a brand new Saab unit which has already had the work done including a balanced crank.

[haggi961]

So what stage is the Saab engine at?

[Hark]

And the Saab unit would need uprated pistons or rods for m62 on stage 3?? Would you be close on the pistons limit? For those who don't have the DIY skills isn't there quite a bit of work to make the engine drop in? (Moving oil lines ?) I wonder what the cost would be with that as well.

[smiley]

For those who don't have the DIY skills isn't there quite a bit of work to make the engine drop in? (Moving oil lines ?)
I wonder what the cost would be with that as well.

 

Hitec made some nice adapters. (not sure if sold seperately, but he's doing muchos conversions lately)

 

[vocky]

So would this engine be the sort of thing I need do you reckon.

this engine is ideal for building a stage 3 SC engine, seeing as you already have a stage 3 SC engine, perhaps a waste of money for you 

[vocky]

So can someone summarise the cost of keeping the Z22SE and going from stage 2 to stage 3 versus the cost of the Saab engine and going to stage 3. My stage 2 setup has a full 2.5" Tullett. Will the engine remain as a 2.2 or drop to a 2.0. I'd rather keep the standard ecu or go Dutch......

when rebuilding an  engine you need to consider which other parts require replacement, as most z22se engines are now 10 - 13 years old they need components replacing to ensure a long life. They include oil pump, water pump, timing chain, bearings, seals, gaskets, bolts etc.

 

When you add them up it works out cheaper to buy a brand new saab engine for £930 and use it as the base for a rebuild rather than a high mileage old engine

 

 

Even with new saab engine it will stay 2.2 if you change crank, If you go for external trigger wheel option it will be 2.o ( I think ) It's cheaper to go for new saab engine rather than update z22se but I would recommend Dutch software which will get it closer to being a similar conversion cost But you have advantage of being on the Dutch software

you can either retain the 2.0 saab engine but fit some LSJ cams and fit an external trigger wheel OR convert it to a 2.2 with the z22se crank, eagle 2.2 rods and wiseco 2.2 pistons.

Edited by vocky, 17 August 2013 - 11:58 AM.

[JohnTurbo]

Someone want to sell me their low mile z22 then? (Not yours chris!)

[ArticMonkey]

Someone want to sell me their low mile z22 then? (Not yours chris!)

44k engine with not a hint of issue or fault?

[JohnTurbo]

Embarrassing low price? Haha

[ArticMonkey]

Depends what your definition of low is. Pm me of you're interested.

[ArticMonkey]

So can someone summarise the cost of keeping the Z22SE and going from stage 2 to stage 3 versus the cost of the Saab engine and going to stage 3. My stage 2 setup has a full 2.5" Tullett. Will the engine remain as a 2.2 or drop to a 2.0. I'd rather keep the standard ecu or go Dutch......

when rebuilding an  engine you need to consider which other parts require replacement, as most z22se engines are now 10 - 13 years old they need components replacing to ensure a long life. They include oil pump, water pump, timing chain, bearings, seals, gaskets, bolts etc.   When you add them up it works out cheaper to buy a brand new saab engine for £930 and use it as the base for a rebuild rather than a high mileage old engine    

Even with new saab engine it will stay 2.2 if you change crank, If you go for external trigger wheel option it will be 2.o ( I think ) It's cheaper to go for new saab engine rather than update z22se but I would recommend Dutch software which will get it closer to being a similar conversion cost But you have advantage of being on the Dutch software

you can either retain the 2.0 saab engine but fit some LSJ cams and fit an external trigger wheel OR convert it to a 2.2 with the z22se crank, eagle 2.2 rods and wiseco 2.2 pistons.

Any advantage sticking 2.00L?

[JohnTurbo]

I'd be up for £300.

 

- Let me know when you have it out and we'll talk :-)