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[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

What's up with my engine, 65k miles Always uses oil Always starts Fully abused

[ArticMonkey]

What's up with my engine, 65k miles Always uses oil Always starts Fully abused

21k more miles than mine and running on a dodgy map.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

What's up with my engine, 65k miles Always uses oil Always starts Fully abused

21k more miles than mine and running on a dodgy map.

I'm not selling anyway i would rather keep it and gave a play with it

[alanoo]

1. CHILL 2. D3YMO 3. ArticMonkey 4. 2deano5 5. Mango Motorsport 6. Vocky subject to him wanting one 7. alanoo

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Someone else has seen the light

[alanoo]

Should add that it would have to be shipped to France 1. CHILL 2. D3YMO 3. ArticMonkey 4. 2deano5 5. Mango Motorsport 6. Vocky subject to him wanting one 7. alanoo (ship to FR)

[ArticMonkey]

Need to confirm about shipping though. Is it a French address?

[Goosenka]

Need to confirm about shipping though. Is it a French address?

No Dutch mate.

[alanoo]

Yep normal French address

[ArticMonkey]

We posted at the same time if you look.

[oakmere]

There is a little bit of miss information on this thread. It would be worth while if someone would do a proper price break down which includes all the extras required to fit the Saab engine. It is often all the little bits and pieces that add up. Don't get me wrong it is a great price but not the right option for everyone.

[ArticMonkey]

Like what? I needs some small work on the coil pack but this is included in what vocky charges to re build. Everything else you would pay him to do to your z22se anyway.

[oakmere]

That is what needs to be made clear. Oil cooler adapter, coolant sensor location is the camshaft blank needed? I am not trying to put people off just think it might be worth getting Vocky to put a full price list up for the parts required so people have the full facts if he has done a few conversions, his own included.

[Exmantaa]

Yeah, B207 needs a few tweaks to fit.

Using the Saab head is already documented in several topics. The oil cooler adapter can be bought or original Saab modded (see my LSJ thread)

You need to use a water thermostat housing of the Z22SE and off course a crank trigger modification for Z22SE ecu.

[Exmantaa]

Just adding to this; if you come to Zandvoort next week you can see 2 running B207's yourself; a stock one with M62 and a 300++  Harrop breathing version.

[vocky]

these are pretty much all the parts which probably need replacing on a higher mileage z22se engine to make it 'as good as new'

 

90571925 crank pulley oil seal - £7.58 + vat 90325572 crankshaft rear oil seal - £21.66 + vat 93166701 oil pump - £262.72 + vat 24435052 oil pump gasket - £10.08 + vat 55563405 water pump chain kit - £122.21 + vat 55570337 cam chain kit - £152.10 + vat 90537241 valve stem seals x 16 - £38.08 + vat  9198195 oil cooler adaptor seals x 2 - £6* + vat 93175493 oil filter - £4.93 + vat 12630084 water pump - £54 + vat 90537811 thermostat - £9.02 + vat 9230949 exhaust manifold gasket - £5.71 + vat 90537691 head bolts x 10 - £21.70 + vat 12786262 inlet manifold gasket (head to inlet) - saab B207L or Vectra z20net - £6* + vat 93175913 head gasket - saab B207L or Vectra z20net - £39.02 + vat 12591093 big end bearings - £30* + vat 12591092 main bearings - £50* + vat 9194698 cam followers x 16 - £375.94

spark plugs - £25

rebore - £120 + vat

16 x valve guides - £320 + vat

 

total : £1937.84

 

For the brand new saab b207 engine you would require;

 

9198195 oil cooler adaptor seals x 2 - £6* + vat

90537691 head bolts x 10 - £21.70 + vat

9230949 exhaust manifold gasket - £5.71 + vat

93175913 head gasket - saab B207L or Vectra z20net - £39.02 + vat

12786262 inlet manifold gasket (head to inlet) - saab B207L or Vectra z20net - £6* + vat

NGK BKR7EIX Iridium spark plugs - for Saab /z20net - £25

Depending on whether you use LSJ cams or z22se cams - cam blank £50

Oilway blank - £50

saab head temperature sender blanking plug - £0 = use an old water pump drain plug.

secondhand z22se crank - £50

 

Plus you get brand new; saab sump, saab head, sodium filled valves, roller rockers, crank pulley,

etc

total : £930 + £269.12 = £1199.12

 

 

* = cannot find a price on the net, so 'guesstimate'

 

 

parts from the usa required for both engines - exact cost varies;

 

1 x set of Eagle Rods 1 x Wiseco 8.9:1 Piston kit 1 x pair of SC Comp Cams

 

So a saving of £738.72, give or take a few quid, if you purchase a brand new saab engine and convert it to a 2.2 stage 3 SC instead of converting a z22se to stage 3 SC

 

If you wish to keep it a 2.0 then it's a saving of £861.59 plus whatever a set of eagle steel rods and wiseco pistons cost, you would however need to fit some LSJ cams and an external trigger wheel.

 

 

Edited by vocky, 18 August 2013 - 05:04 PM.

[vocky]

obviously if you want to use a saab head and sump on a z22se rebuild you need to add another £275 to your total, which makes the difference about £1014

Edited by vocky, 18 August 2013 - 05:05 PM.

[Exmantaa]

^^  Man math to the finest...

[ArticMonkey]

So I think its safe to say this engine will save you ££££ and gives you brand new parts for a longer life and ease of tuning.

[smiley]

If you wish to keep it a 2.0 then it's a saving of £861.59 plus whatever a set of eagle steel rods and wiseco pistons cost,

 

Does that not create the same piston slap and oil consumption story as the current stage III guys have?

 

 

The oem saab rods can do 400, and and the pistons 300 isch.

Only the harrop guys would need to consider different pistons.