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[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I've not tried it but would it work on partial throttle by changing the throttle position to throttle bodie So that throttle bodie is not fully open but pedal is flat on the floor so we ineffective get part throttle mapping on the power runs This would all depend on if the power run activates from throttle pedal or throttle bodie

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Just a idea and thinking out loud

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Artic monkey 400 + hp

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software Harrop charger ported head. now also putting dbilas springs in, 630cc injectors 3" exhaust & 450lph fuel pump
3.1 pulley LS4 TB
 


2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, lightened flywheel, supertech valve springs, balancer delete, ported head, M62 charger, standalone ECU. Yet to decide on exhaust. Hoping for a solid 280bhp.
spec changed considerably
 

 
3. Bill SC. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+
But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all,
398 HP RR

4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.

5. Tony. Ornament. Going to collect all the adaptations and that while I decide what to do.

6. Smiley. 2.0 with head ported, stage 1 comps cams, lightened flywheel, external crank, M62 with 3.05", 2.5" tullett with oem turdo cat welded in and obdtuner (no ignition timing done yet).



7. ufods
B207r with standard internals, TTV lightened flywheel and balancer delete, external trigger, Sachs clutch, 3" full Tullet, Siemens 630 injektors, Dbilas valve springs, ZZP Stage 1 cams, Dutch ECU software
Harrop charger
Aiming 330 PS without water injektion

 
8.Stig_1911
 Vocky fettled B207,fully balaced bottom end, eagle rods,Wiseco pisteons,stage 2 zzp stage 2 turbo comps cams,supertec valvespirngs, balancer delete,arp bolts,TMS lighten flywheel, competiton clutch,2 intercoolers(side and roof) Using the 300 bhp dilbert kit as a base, probably dutch software.... goal 350+

9. Dominique, 2.0 Saab B207R with standard pistons/rods, homemade internal trigger wheel, ZZP stage1 cams, TTV flywheel, DBilas valve springs, standard balancer, ported head, M62 with 3.1 pully, 2,5" Tullett system, ProAlloy cooler and fuel tank, Dutch Engine magagement.
Still to decide LSJ/NFS/B207 crank, injectors and clutch.
 
10. Martin S
2.0 , Trigger wheel, new flywheel, stage 2 cams, new clutch, uorated fule pump dutch software. Its just when can it/should it be done?
Documented issues in other thread
 

 

 
11. Kieran
B207 2.0 L Conversion all done by CS  map Klassen / CS, M62 charger 2.9" pulley, TTV Fly wheel ,6 speed gear box with a Mocul oil cooler and scavenger system, External trigger wheel

I've just updated my spec due to maxing out the 470 CC VXR injectors

12. Bargi Saab head and Sump... is that enopugh to be called a conversion?

13. Ultimate complete saab with oem internals, dbilas springs, balancer delete, fast road cams, harrop+70mm pulley, water injection. Revlimit 7700, runningk this since January 2013, 10k km, but engine uses much oil now.
Never measured HP in the last Evolution but car runs 11.1 on the quarter mile and 7s 100-200km/h GPS
 

 
14.Artic monkey: Saab B207 with OEM internals, diblas springs, balancer delete, LSJ stage 2 cams, harrop+ 3.05" pulley (harrop group buy). Rev limit 7k.
 NOW A 2.2 and 400+ hp

 
15. exmantaa
 
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock 2.0 LSJ/Saab bottom end (incl.balancers). Lightened 5.8kg cast flywheel.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Exhaust ported head, Stock valves + DBilas springs. ZZP LSJ stage 2 cams, dialed in to spec.  [/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Harrop SC + 80mm pulley. 68mm LSJ TB and a closed cone filter intake tract[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- manifold + dual pass conversion. Mounted with a Courtenay thermal gasket.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock LSJ pcv system with the valve cover hose routed back to intake tract.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Tullett 2,5" manifold, 2,5" downpipe with 300cpi cat welded in, 2,5"Tullett muffler, modified for single tip exit.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- LSJ ecu, tuned with HPTuners. Only AFR adjusted to ~11.8AFR on wideband. Still no ignition optimised for max power. (It's enough...   )[/color][/font]
 

 
 
16.[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Speedster4fun's[/color][/font]
 [color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]
Another 2.0 + Harrop 80mm on the same MAHA  rollers => Speedster4fun's Z20NET (=B207) engine with HPTuners.[/color][/font][color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]
Will look for his engine specs at that time, but the rpm reading was a bit off and so was the power. Basically he had the same specs as my engine, minus the cams and minus balancers, but he had a decat 2,5" downpipe and maybe water injection there.[/color][/font][color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]
(run in 5th gear; doing 270Km/h on the rollers     ):[/color][/font]

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 17 April 2016 - 07:25 PM.

[smiley]

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software Harrop charger ported head. now also putting dbilas springs in, 630cc injectors 3" exhaust & 450lph fuel pump
3.1 pulley LS4 TB
 


2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, lightened flywheel, supertech valve springs, balancer delete, ported head, M62 charger, standalone ECU. Yet to decide on exhaust. Hoping for a solid 280bhp.
spec changed considerably
 

 
3. Bill SC. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+
But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all,
398 HP RR

4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.

5. Tony. Ornament. Going to collect all the adaptations and that while I decide what to do.

6. Smiley. 2.0 with head ported, stage 1 comps cams, lightened flywheel, external crank, Harrop with 3.15", 2.5" tullett with oem turdo cat welded in and obdtuner (no ignition timing done yet).



7. ufods
B207r with standard internals, TTV lightened flywheel and balancer delete, external trigger, Sachs clutch, 3" full Tullet, Siemens 630 injektors, Dbilas valve springs, ZZP Stage 1 cams, Dutch ECU software
Harrop charger
Aiming 330 PS without water injektion

 
8.Stig_1911
 Vocky fettled B207,fully balaced bottom end, eagle rods,Wiseco pisteons,stage 2 zzp stage 2 turbo comps cams,supertec valvespirngs, balancer delete,arp bolts,TMS lighten flywheel, competiton clutch,2 intercoolers(side and roof) Using the 300 bhp dilbert kit as a base, probably dutch software.... goal 350+

9. Dominique, 2.0 Saab B207R with standard pistons/rods, homemade internal trigger wheel, ZZP stage1 cams, TTV flywheel, DBilas valve springs, standard balancer, ported head, M62 with 3.1 pully, 2,5" Tullett system, ProAlloy cooler and fuel tank, Dutch Engine magagement.
Still to decide LSJ/NFS/B207 crank, injectors and clutch.
 
10. Martin S
2.0 , Trigger wheel, new flywheel, stage 2 cams, new clutch, uorated fule pump dutch software. Its just when can it/should it be done?
Documented issues in other thread
 

 

 
11. Kieran
B207 2.0 L Conversion all done by CS  map Klassen / CS, M62 charger 2.9" pulley, TTV Fly wheel ,6 speed gear box with a Mocul oil cooler and scavenger system, External trigger wheel

I've just updated my spec due to maxing out the 470 CC VXR injectors

12. Bargi Saab head and Sump... is that enopugh to be called a conversion?

13. Ultimate complete saab with oem internals, dbilas springs, balancer delete, fast road cams, harrop+70mm pulley, water injection. Revlimit 7700, runningk this since January 2013, 10k km, but engine uses much oil now.
Never measured HP in the last Evolution but car runs 11.1 on the quarter mile and 7s 100-200km/h GPS
 

 
14.Artic monkey: Saab B207 with OEM internals, diblas springs, balancer delete, LSJ stage 2 cams, harrop+ 3.05" pulley (harrop group buy). Rev limit 7k.
 NOW A 2.2 and 400+ hp

 
15. exmantaa
 
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock 2.0 LSJ/Saab bottom end (incl.balancers). Lightened 5.8kg cast flywheel.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Exhaust ported head, Stock valves + DBilas springs. ZZP LSJ stage 2 cams, dialed in to spec.  [/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Harrop SC + 80mm pulley. 68mm LSJ TB and a closed cone filter intake tract[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- manifold + dual pass conversion. Mounted with a Courtenay thermal gasket.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock LSJ pcv system with the valve cover hose routed back to intake tract.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Tullett 2,5" manifold, 2,5" downpipe with 300cpi cat welded in, 2,5"Tullett muffler, modified for single tip exit.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- LSJ ecu, tuned with HPTuners. Only AFR adjusted to ~11.8AFR on wideband. Still no ignition optimised for max power. (It's enough...   )[/color][/font]
 

 
 
16.[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Speedster4fun's[/color][/font]
 
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Another 2.0 + Harrop 80mm on the same MAHA  rollers => Speedster4fun's Z20NET (=B207) engine with HPTuners.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Will look for his engine specs at that time, but the rpm reading was a bit off and so was the power. Basically he had the same specs as my engine, minus the cams and minus balancers, but he had a decat 2,5" downpipe and maybe water injection there.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"](run in 5th gear; doing 270Km/h on the rollers     ):[/color][/font]

 

 

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

nice cool temps there stefan (smiley )

[smiley]

Slightly unfair, as it was 10 degrees Celcius out there during testing.

Things will probably be different during the summer.

[ArticMonkey]

When did I make 400bhp?

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

When did I make 400bhp?

Saturday

[smiley]

Slightly unfair, as it was 10 degrees Celcius out there during testing.

Things will probably be different during the summer.

 

Intake temp peaked at 80 yesterday on track (outside temp was about 10 celcius)

So i will be hitting that 95 once summer comes also.

 

[Acidpopstar]

Have you considered WI Smiley? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Will be waiting for the software like me I reckon

[smiley]

WI is in the planning, but i need to rely on exmantaa or his mate for that.

And i also do not like mid season tinkering, so this may be for next winter.

Plan is to tap off the signal from the injector pulse. Once pro is out (and affordable) i can swap to that, and use actual inlet temp as a trigger)

 

Will get my map to Peter to change the security dial down from 57 degrees to 80 degrees done though.

I believe that will be a parameter in the pro version, but for now it's a manual change for Peter.

Edited by smiley, 19 April 2016 - 01:37 PM.

[siztenboots]

I might have said this before, but looking at the two dyno printouts from car #15 and #16 , on the maha dyno. But what internal losses are you using?

 

A completely standard vxt we had on the rollers with my new software made 225 at the wheels, with some more options to improve further.

 

I think for purposes of clear data, we should only work with at the wheel figures.

 

 

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I would give up hp for cool temps As I can have anything between 320 and 380 hp dependant on temps

[smiley]

You can plumb in WI based on injector pulse for now, and switch to pro later Chill?

 

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I'm waiting for the software first Stefan As I don't fancy doing it until winter anyway I would rather just use it for now

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I might have said this before, but looking at the two dyno printouts from car #15 and #16 , on the maha dyno. But what internal losses are you using?   A completely standard vxt we had on the rollers with my new software made 225 at the wheels, with some more options to improve further.   I think for purposes of clear data, we should only work with at the wheel figures.    

All my figures are engine power not sure the losses with HArrop I think it take 40 hp to run the charger so could quite high losses on the sc conversions

[smiley]

As I don't fancy doing it until winter anyway I would rather just use it for now

 

2 peas in a pot huh.

Edited by smiley, 19 April 2016 - 02:17 PM.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

As I don't fancy doing it until winter anyway I would rather just use it for now

  2 peas in a pot huh.

Yep 2 bald blokes in a vx/ speedster with a HArrop and not able to go faster