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[smiley]

oi, i still have some hair left

[Exmantaa]

I might have said this before, but looking at the two dyno printouts from car #15 and #16 , on the maha dyno. But what internal losses are you using?   A completely standard vxt we had on the rollers with my new software made 225 at the wheels, with some more options to improve further.   I think for purposes of clear data, we should only work with at the wheel figures.    

don't look too much to the wbeel loss on that Maha dyno. It's a double roller what creates pretty extreme losses on a vx, but the roll-out measurements make it quite accurate. Bog standard cars on that make close to the stock engine power. My standard CS stage 2 SC made there 249.8... ;-)

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

we have a 400 hp harrop saab 2.2 

 

 

 

was running 3.05 pulley but was a touch lean, when we got the fueling correct it made a little less

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software Harrop charger ported head. now also putting dbilas springs in, 630cc injectors 3" exhaust & 450lph fuel pump
3.1 pulley LS4 TB
 


2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, lightened flywheel, supertech valve springs, balancer delete, ported head, M62 charger, standalone ECU. Yet to decide on exhaust. Hoping for a solid 280bhp.
spec changed considerably
 

 
3. Bill SC. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+
But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all,
398 HP RR

4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.

5. Tony. Ornament. Going to collect all the adaptations and that while I decide what to do.

6. Smiley. 2.0 with head ported, stage 1 comps cams, lightened flywheel, external crank, Harrop with 3.15", 2.5" tullett with oem turdo cat welded in and obdtuner (no ignition timing done yet).



7. ufods
B207r with standard internals, TTV lightened flywheel and balancer delete, external trigger, Sachs clutch, 3" full Tullet, Siemens 630 injektors, Dbilas valve springs, ZZP Stage 1 cams, Dutch ECU software
Harrop charger
Aiming 330 PS without water injektion

 
8.Stig_1911
 Vocky fettled B207,fully balaced bottom end, eagle rods,Wiseco pisteons,stage 2 zzp stage 2 turbo comps cams,supertec valvespirngs, balancer delete,arp bolts,TMS lighten flywheel, competiton clutch,2 intercoolers(side and roof) Using the 300 bhp dilbert kit as a base, probably dutch software.... goal 350+

9. Dominique, 2.0 Saab B207R with standard pistons/rods, homemade internal trigger wheel, ZZP stage1 cams, TTV flywheel, DBilas valve springs, standard balancer, ported head, M62 with 3.1 pully, 2,5" Tullett system, ProAlloy cooler and fuel tank, Dutch Engine magagement.
Still to decide LSJ/NFS/B207 crank, injectors and clutch.
 
10. Martin S
2.0 , Trigger wheel, new flywheel, stage 2 cams, new clutch, uorated fule pump dutch software. Its just when can it/should it be done?
Documented issues in other thread
 

 

 
11. Kieran
B207 2.0 L Conversion all done by CS  map Klassen / CS, M62 charger 2.9" pulley, TTV Fly wheel ,6 speed gear box with a Mocul oil cooler and scavenger system, External trigger wheel

I've just updated my spec due to maxing out the 470 CC VXR injectors

12. Bargi Saab head and Sump... is that enopugh to be called a conversion?

13. Ultimate complete saab with oem internals, dbilas springs, balancer delete, fast road cams, harrop+70mm pulley, water injection. Revlimit 7700, runningk this since January 2013, 10k km, but engine uses much oil now.
Never measured HP in the last Evolution but car runs 11.1 on the quarter mile and 7s 100-200km/h GPS
 

 
14.Artic monkey: Saab B207 2.2 forged , diblas springs, balancer delete, LSJ stage 2 cams, harrop+ 3.05" pulley (harrop group buy). 
 

 
15. exmantaa
 
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock 2.0 LSJ/Saab bottom end (incl.balancers). Lightened 5.8kg cast flywheel.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Exhaust ported head, Stock valves + DBilas springs. ZZP LSJ stage 2 cams, dialed in to spec.  [/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Harrop SC + 80mm pulley. 68mm LSJ TB and a closed cone filter intake tract[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- manifold + dual pass conversion. Mounted with a Courtenay thermal gasket.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock LSJ pcv system with the valve cover hose routed back to intake tract.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Tullett 2,5" manifold, 2,5" downpipe with 300cpi cat welded in, 2,5"Tullett muffler, modified for single tip exit.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- LSJ ecu, tuned with HPTuners. Only AFR adjusted to ~11.8AFR on wideband. Still no ignition optimised for max power. (It's enough...   )[/color][/font]
 

 
 
16.[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Speedster4fun's[/color][/font]
 
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Another 2.0 + Harrop 80mm on the same MAHA  rollers => Speedster4fun's Z20NET (=B207) engine with HPTuners.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Will look for his engine specs at that time, but the rpm reading was a bit off and so was the power. Basically he had the same specs as my engine, minus the cams and minus balancers, but he had a decat 2,5" downpipe and maybe water injection there.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"](run in 5th gear; doing 270Km/h on the rollers     ):[/color][/font]

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 23 April 2016 - 03:09 PM.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software Harrop charger ported head. now also putting dbilas springs in, 630cc injectors 3" exhaust & 450lph fuel pump
3.1 pulley LS4 TB
 


2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, lightened flywheel, supertech valve springs, balancer delete, ported head, M62 charger, standalone ECU. Yet to decide on exhaust. Hoping for a solid 280bhp.
spec changed considerably
 

 
3. Bill SC. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+
But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all,
398 HP RR

4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.

5. Tony. Ornament. Going to collect all the adaptations and that while I decide what to do.

6. Smiley. 2.0 with head ported, stage 1 comps cams, lightened flywheel, external crank, Harrop with 3.15", 2.5" tullett with oem turdo cat welded in and obdtuner (no ignition timing done yet).



7. ufods
B207r with standard internals, TTV lightened flywheel and balancer delete, external trigger, Sachs clutch, 3" full Tullet, Siemens 630 injektors, Dbilas valve springs, ZZP Stage 1 cams, Dutch ECU software
Harrop charger
Aiming 330 PS without water injektion

 
8.Stig_1911
 Vocky fettled B207,fully balaced bottom end, eagle rods,Wiseco pisteons,stage 2 zzp stage 2 turbo comps cams,supertec valvespirngs, balancer delete,arp bolts,TMS lighten flywheel, competiton clutch,2 intercoolers(side and roof) Using the 300 bhp dilbert kit as a base, probably dutch software.... goal 350+

9. Dominique, 2.0 Saab B207R with standard pistons/rods, homemade internal trigger wheel, ZZP stage1 cams, TTV flywheel, DBilas valve springs, standard balancer, ported head, M62 with 3.1 pully, 2,5" Tullett system, ProAlloy cooler and fuel tank, Dutch Engine magagement.
Still to decide LSJ/NFS/B207 crank, injectors and clutch.
 
10. Martin S
2.0 , Trigger wheel, new flywheel, stage 2 cams, new clutch, uorated fule pump dutch software. Its just when can it/should it be done?
Documented issues in other thread
 

 

 
11. Kieran
B207 2.0 L Conversion all done by CS  map Klassen / CS, M62 charger 2.9" pulley, TTV Fly wheel ,6 speed gear box with a Mocul oil cooler and scavenger system, External trigger wheel

I've just updated my spec due to maxing out the 470 CC VXR injectors

12. Bargi Saab head and Sump... is that enopugh to be called a conversion?

13. Ultimate complete saab with oem internals, dbilas springs, balancer delete, fast road cams, harrop+70mm pulley, water injection. Revlimit 7700, runningk this since January 2013, 10k km, but engine uses much oil now.
Never measured HP in the last Evolution but car runs 11.1 on the quarter mile and 7s 100-200km/h GPS
 

 
14.Artic monkey: Saab B207 2.2 forged , diblas springs, balancer delete, LSJ stage 2 cams, harrop+ 3.05" pulley (harrop group buy). 
 

 
15. exmantaa
 
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock 2.0 LSJ/Saab bottom end (incl.balancers). Lightened 5.8kg cast flywheel.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Exhaust ported head, Stock valves + DBilas springs. ZZP LSJ stage 2 cams, dialed in to spec.  [/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Harrop SC + 80mm pulley. 68mm LSJ TB and a closed cone filter intake tract[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- manifold + dual pass conversion. Mounted with a Courtenay thermal gasket.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Stock LSJ pcv system with the valve cover hose routed back to intake tract.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- Tullett 2,5" manifold, 2,5" downpipe with 300cpi cat welded in, 2,5"Tullett muffler, modified for single tip exit.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]- LSJ ecu, tuned with HPTuners. Only AFR adjusted to ~11.8AFR on wideband. Still no ignition optimised for max power. (It's enough...   )[/color][/font]
 

 
 
16.[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Speedster4fun's[/color][/font]
 
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Another 2.0 + Harrop 80mm on the same MAHA  rollers => Speedster4fun's Z20NET (=B207) engine with HPTuners.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"]Will look for his engine specs at that time, but the rpm reading was a bit off and so was the power. Basically he had the same specs as my engine, minus the cams and minus balancers, but he had a decat 2,5" downpipe and maybe water injection there.[/color][/font]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);][font="helvetica;"](run in 5th gear; doing 270Km/h on the rollers     ):[/color][/font]

[smiley]

Is there any news on other STOCK B207's oil consumption? (ie engine not opened, just head of max)

 

So far:

 

- Graeme = ? - Smiley 335hp = Only oil it spits out ends up in catch tank - ufods = ? - Martin S = High oil consumption. Caused by gazed bores. Bedding in?   - Kieran = ? - Ultimate 350hp = High oil consumption. Cause unknown

Edited by smiley, 26 April 2016 - 06:24 PM.

[ufods]

Zero Oil at 80mm pulley but only done 3000km

[smiley]

- Graeme = ? - Smiley 335hp = Only oil it spits out ends up in catch tank - ufods = 310hp = No oil consumption. - Martin S = High oil consumption. Caused by glazed bores. Bedding in?   - Kieran = ? - Ultimate 350hp = High oil consumption. Cause unknown

[Graeme Lambert]

Is there any news on other STOCK B207's oil consumption? (ie engine not opened, just head of max)

 

So far:

 

- Graeme = ? - Smiley 335hp = Only oil it spits out ends up in catch tank - ufods = ? - Martin S = High oil consumption. Caused by gazed bores. Bedding in?   - Kieran = ? - Ultimate 350hp = High oil consumption. Cause unknown

 

You can take me off this list.

 

I have forged pistons, but stock rods, so more than just head off.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Had a bit of a issue after taking exhaust off and repacking and putting it back on
( nothing to do with exhaust )
When exhaust was put back on and I reved the car I got one almighty rattle from spark plug/ coil pack area
Checked the plugs and they were black as the ace of spades
Before I took the back box off I know the plugs looked like this as I checked them



So I put the old coil pack on and issue went away
Which was a relief
Anyway as is b207 users modify the coil pack I can't really send it away to be checked ( it's only 3 weeks old )
I think the issue could be down to water damage as we had rather heavy rain and possibly got to the coil pack as car was uncovered and only under a car port area

So my question is can I do anything to try and get the coil pack working again or is it knackered ??

I will check the spring length tomorrow incase it's that

Also has anyone else had a similar rattle sound from coil pack ?

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 17 May 2016 - 04:27 PM.

[smiley]

No rattle from my side, but was your new coilpack oem or ebay special?

 

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Oem smiley

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Here is a video of the rattle https://youtu.be/GvoII_qaV0c

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Will be getting the hair dryer out tonight

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

There no sign of any water ingress Does anyone know anything is ion sensing ??

[smiley]

No. As a guess you could just swap the ecu from the old coilpack to the new.

See what happens.

 

 

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Anyone know what actually fails on the coil packs

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

My hopes are that the springs have compressed and the pack is vibrating on the Ally cover plate Will take that of tomoz and hold it down while wife revs the car The sound was very mechanical sounding Which I thought the worse

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 17 May 2016 - 07:08 PM.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

No. As a guess you could just swap the ecu from the old coilpack to the new. See what happens.    

Do you mean the amplifier on the coil pack The bit with the cooling fins

[smiley]

yes. That fixed it for me on my 5k rpm issue, but never heared of the rattle thing you're having.