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[fiveoclock]

 

 

 

I didn't know how to or was aware I had to, I just built a head up but covered all the surfaces in oil before putting the followers into the head, is there a set procedure to do it? Will they self fill after a while?

 

Theypossibly/probably wont self fill. Leave them all totally immersed in oil overnight and then fit them. 

[Nev]

The easiest thing to do is to take the fuel pump fuse out and maybe the spark plugs (to eliminate compression) and turn the thing over on the starter motor for 60 secs. That way oil will reach everywhere, particularly important when fitting a new turbo or brand new engine or head.

 

Good to see you still spannering Lee

Edited by Nev, 08 May 2015 - 07:37 PM.

[fiveoclock]

You'll need to put them in oil overnight

[turbotoaster]

bit late for that now, don't have the time at the moment to strip the top of the head again, will just run it until my forged engine is built, not to fussed about the noise as you cant hear anything over the sound of the turbo anyway when driving

[fezzasus]

They will certainly self fill. 

[turbotoaster]

with regards to the forged engine, the parts are slowly coming together

 

[CocoPops]

Just get it out on track!

[darronwall]

pm me when you want to get it out on track,it will be nice to have a little 'compare'

[turbotoaster]

Just get it out on track!

this forged engine is nothing to do with me getting it out on track, im planning on running my stock engine for a while including on track, to get it on track all i need to do now is install a new engine coolant sensor(happening today) and do some mapping on the road as im running a different turbo and exhaust, once thats done its track ready, Im planning on taking it a sprint circuit next month to see how the car reacts to the changes then off to probably donnington to get some testing done maybe end of june all being well.

 

pm me when you want to get it out on track,it will be nice to have a little 'compare'

 

not with my stock bottom end and your 400bhp+ you will be like a rocket ship down the straights, whats yours weigh now?

i think it would be a good fight with my forged lump at 350bhp/700kg vs 450bhp/900kg?

[CocoPops]

I meant generally!

 

all this work, it's never ending... but there is no way of knowing if any of it is actually beneficial until you use it on track.

 

Thread started Nov 2013 and it's only actually seen the track once or twice?

[slindborg]

I meant generally!

 

all this work, it's never ending... but there is no way of knowing if any of it is actually beneficial until you use it on track.

 

Thread started Nov 2013 and it's only actually seen the track once or twice?

 

Is it Nev's alter ego? (no offence Nev )

[Nev]

I meant generally!   all this work, it's never ending... but there is no way of knowing if any of it is actually beneficial until you use it on track.   Thread started Nov 2013 and it's only actually seen the track once or twice?

You fail to see that this is not a simple "buy it off the shelf and bolt it on" thread. Much of what he is doing is ground up and requires bespoke design/thinking & fabrication. This takes time. Frankly I have full admiration for anyone attempting even half of what the OP is trying. Without such people in life, you'd have to live in a cave, as none of the infrastructure that you depend on would have been developed. The pertinent point here is that you would remain living in a cave, whereas the OP's capabilities would mean he'd be able to make a nice hut (metaphorically speaking). Perhaps instead of indirectly and persistently digging at people for doing such projects, you could contribute with some of your esteemed capabilities? Ha ha, now that's a joke. Better still, seeing as you don't own a VX220 any more, perhaps you could do us a favour and buzz off to the Lotus forums where your sort of uninformed negativity seems to be the accepted norm.

Edited by Nev, 13 May 2015 - 12:28 PM.

[CocoPops]

It wasn't a dig Nev... It was a genuine question, much like your build is trial and error (with engineering background), you know that a tweak here means X, a tweak here means Y... You then try it and compare to how it feels. By making sooo many changes Lee will have no idea what has improved or failed etc.

[turbotoaster]

I meant generally!

 

all this work, it's never ending... but there is no way of knowing if any of it is actually beneficial until you use it on track.

 

Thread started Nov 2013 and it's only actually seen the track once or twice?

 

ok so just to cover a few pointers so your more informed about the situation with the car.

 

Just before Brand Hatch last november I compression tested the engine to find 180, 180, 160, 150 which indicates the cylinder 1 isnt to happy with me, because I had buzzed the engine at snetterton which also blew the oil out of 2 of the followers meant I wasnt sure if it was chipped valve, head gasket or rings.

 

Because I knew the engine didnt owe me anything being OEM I decided to provision that i put a little money aside every month that I should have a go at time attack as thats what i had spent so much time getting it ready for, snetterton was good because it taught me a few errors with the car that i put right.

 

Most of you know what happened to me at brands so I wont go into that.

 

But in terms of damage I will give you a run down.

 

Destroyed front clam and aero, destroyed splitter, shattered crash structure, bent wishbone, steering rack casing split, crushed brake caliper crossover pipe, broken side skirts, bent undertray and bent diffuser.

 

As you can imagine fixing all that on your own isnt an easy task

 

Time attack has brought in new aero rules which have made pretty much all of my aero obsolete, so as well as fixing the damage I had to design from scratch a full new aero package that would meet the new rules.

 

Back to the engine, I found out that my head is damaged in the follower pots to the point its scrap so had to go find a couple of heads, one to run on the car, the other for porting an big valves, I have since rebuilt one head from scratch and bolted it onto the car, including a larger flowing oil pump

 

The exhaust is a project that hasnt really taken alot of my time, so that hasnt held anything up, a week at most.

 

Im now at the point of taking for a run to do some tuning and then I can get it back on track.

 

I can understand why people are asking why is it not on track, but for reference, I work 7 days a week and have 2 children under 2yrs old, so nearly all the work I have to do on the car is between 10pm-12pm at night when they are in bed, as you can imagine it doesnt give you alot of time.

 

I meant generally!   all this work, it's never ending... but there is no way of knowing if any of it is actually beneficial until you use it on track.   Thread started Nov 2013 and it's only actually seen the track once or twice?

You fail to see that this is not a simple "buy it off the shelf and bolt it on" thread. Much of what he is doing is ground up and requires bespoke design/thinking & fabrication. This takes time. Frankly I have full admiration for anyone attempting even half of what the OP is trying. Without such people in life, you'd have to live in a cave, as none of the infrastructure that you depend on would have been developed. The pertinent point here is that you would remain living in a cave, whereas the OP's capabilities would mean he'd be able to make a nice hut (metaphorically speaking). Perhaps instead of indirectly and persistently digging at people for doing such projects, you could contribute with some of your esteemed capabilities? Ha ha, now that's a joke. Better still, seeing as you don't own a VX220 any more, perhaps you could do us a favour and buzz off to the Lotus forums where your sort of uninformed negativity seems to be the accepted norm.

 

 

 

Nev , I appreciate the kind comments but dont worry, you dont need to defend me, im a big boy now, I dont even wear pampers dry nights anymore.

 

I think im very different than the usual lotus crowd, If I state im going to do something, I will do it, everything idea I come up with has had alot of thought put into it and ive never been the type of guy who expects his car built with a credit card by his favourite tuner, in my mind spending £15k on a honda/audi is daft, thats more than the car is worth! If you have that sort of money sat around to spend on putting a different engine in a little plastic car then I would think its better spent paying off some of the mortgage, putting towards a deposit on a house.

 

I think with my forged lump, if im up and running at 350bhp, the full conversion from an NA K series is going to cost me around 5k max

 

 

Oh yes, forgot to say, got the engine running today with the new temp sensor installed, ran it for about 5mins, followers must have got oil in as its quieten down now

 

exhaust is pretty quiet aswell, you can have your head 30cm from the tailpipe and if you couldnt feel the gases pushing on your chest you would forget its there

Edited by turbotoaster, 13 May 2015 - 09:35 PM.

[fiveoclock]

 

 

. Better still, seeing as you don't own a VX220 

Just like the OP then 

[Nev]

 

 

 

. Better still, seeing as you don't own a VX220 

Just like the OP then 

 

 

Hmm, I seem to have not noticed that point *blush*.  

[fiveoclock]

 

 

 

 

. Better still, seeing as you don't own a VX220 

Just like the OP then 

 

 

Hmm, I seem to have not noticed that point *blush*.  

 

Easily done by some people

[fiveoclock]

Anyway aside from all the other shlt the fact still remains the OP, for whatever reason, spends too much time building and not enough time in the seat driving the car and this was a contributory factor to his crash at Brands despite him saying he crashed because his engine lid came off and unsettled the car.

[turbotoaster]

really, so your saying that if you take a corner flat in 4th gear the previous lap on a drying track with the no traction issues and the next lap it lights the tyres up and snaps sideways just at the point that the engine cover blows off and a driver behind me notice the rear of my car unloads by an inchm, that's my driving ability? wow that's a new one to me

[Mopeytitan]

An inch is a very small amount how could he notice that flat out in 4th?... Just saying

Edited by Mopeytitan, 14 May 2015 - 10:24 AM.