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[Andrew aka Stuwy]

one thing I don't get, I never come across any of you on track

 

All the pics of me and Lizzie we are on our own, it was like we were on a different track!

[siztenboots]

one thing I don't get, I never come across any of you on track

 

All the pics of me and Lizzie we are on our own, it was like we were on a different track!

 

I think its partly down to the queueing in the pitlane , even if you see people going out, by the time you get out too , you somehow end up missing each other.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Some great driving from the Captain; it must have been frustrating sitting behind them knowing you had the speed under brakes and in corners.

 

Disagree with you Artic though. Yup, an NA in pure form is a fantastic car to drive on track but the linear delivery of 250-300 BHP of SC power is a big step forwards. I am back on the power as early as I would have been in the NA just 8 seconds quicker round Brands Indy.

[Captain Vimes]

It was frustrating sitting behind them but it also made it interesting and provided some of the memorable parts of the day... when I'd had enough of the white M3 I carried more speed through the left hander, got ahead and pulled over to the right into clear ways then dropped him by around 2 seconds a lap - shame I didn't manage to get the rest on film. 8 seconds a lap? I was running 'race chrono' for some of the sessions and my best laps were consistently around 57.2 with a freak ultimate lap around 56.3 (I think this came from leaving the car in 4th around paddock later in the day which left the car more settled through the apex and subsequently a higher apex speed). I'm sure there's a 55.x in the car with a few changes (warmer track, confidence around paddock Hill bend, more space on track, increased damping). 

 

What's a good time for the turbo and SC boys?

 

[Captain Vimes]

Thought I'd add another clip to balance out the poor etiquette above and show that there were plenty of drivers giving consent and moving over. Plus there's a couple of drivers in the gravel trap at the end 

 

 

[Mike (Cliffie)]

8 seconds a lap? I was running 'race chrono' for some of the sessions and my best laps were consistently around 57.2 with a freak ultimate lap around 56.3 (I think this came from leaving the car in 4th around paddock later in the day which left the car more settled through the apex and subsequently a higher apex speed). I'm sure there's a 55.x in the car with a few changes (warmer track, confidence around paddock Hill bend, more space on track, increased damping). 

 

What's a good time for the turbo and SC boys?

 

Paddock is 4th all day.

 

Your braking for Paddock is spot on though on those laps you had a clear run in there.

 

I ran a 51 there in Time Attack this year and there is a 50 or maybe high 49 in the car with a better driver than me an fresher rubber though. OK so maybe not 8 seconds but 6 for sure.

[fiveoclock]

 

 

What's a good time for the turbo and SC boys?

 

 

Not sure but as a comparison I've done a 51 dead in the S1, 54.8 in the vx with standard induction and high 53's with ITB's. Doesnt sound much difference from std NA to ITB but in a 60 minute race at those times if you're consistently 3/4 of a second ahead of another car you'll have lapped him at the end.

[siztenboots]

It was frustrating sitting behind them but it also made it interesting and provided some of the memorable parts of the day... when I'd had enough of the white M3 I carried more speed through the left hander, got ahead and pulled over to the right into clear ways then dropped him by around 2 seconds a lap - shame I didn't manage to get the rest on film. 8 seconds a lap? I was running 'race chrono' for some of the sessions and my best laps were consistently around 57.2 with a freak ultimate lap around 56.3 (I think this came from leaving the car in 4th around paddock later in the day which left the car more settled through the apex and subsequently a higher apex speed). I'm sure there's a 55.x in the car with a few changes (warmer track, confidence around paddock Hill bend, more space on track, increased damping). 

 

What's a good time for the turbo and SC boys?

 

 

are you running with 4 channel abs on / off ?

[ArticMonkey]

Some great driving from the Captain; it must have been frustrating sitting behind them knowing you had the speed under brakes and in corners.   Disagree with you Artic though. Yup, an NA in pure form is a fantastic car to drive on track but the linear delivery of 250-300 BHP of SC power is a big step forwards. I am back on the pow er as early as I would have been in the NA just 8 seconds quicker round Brands Indy.

And if I had your skill and experience behind the wheel it would be a natural step forward. For me going from a sc back to an NA it gave me more time to get things right before thinking about power to much. I know once I've reached the limits of my NA I will be happy to up the power and learn the car all over. I found at the national that my NA was very simple and predictable to drive where as when I drove bargi's stage 2.5 I was right on (IMO) my abilities. Having to juggle power and the cars movements with the throttle while doing everything else was alot more involved. Whether I could keep that up constantly would be another question. It also made me realise people like DaveE are very handy if they can control the torque and boost of a turbo so well while still keeping it on track. Not saying an NA is better or worse, just in my short time on track is IMO easier to expoloit on the limit.

Edited by ArticMonkey, 09 December 2013 - 05:14 PM.

[MAXR]

It also made me realise people like DaveE are very handy if they can control the torque and boost of a turbo so well while still keeping it on track.

 

 

 

Yeah that!

…mmm could he be the Stig?

[Captain Vimes]

 

It was frustrating sitting behind them but it also made it interesting and provided some of the memorable parts of the day... when I'd had enough of the white M3 I carried more speed through the left hander, got ahead and pulled over to the right into clear ways then dropped him by around 2 seconds a lap - shame I didn't manage to get the rest on film. 8 seconds a lap? I was running 'race chrono' for some of the sessions and my best laps were consistently around 57.2 with a freak ultimate lap around 56.3 (I think this came from leaving the car in 4th around paddock later in the day which left the car more settled through the apex and subsequently a higher apex speed). I'm sure there's a 55.x in the car with a few changes (warmer track, confidence around paddock Hill bend, more space on track, increased damping). 

 

What's a good time for the turbo and SC boys?

 

 

are you running with 4 channel abs on / off ?

 

 

4 channel ABS on. I think it's great - rarely cut in all day except when I needed it.

 

 

Brakes are an area I need to improve though - one of the rears is binding when hot which meant they were grumbling at the end of the stint. Hoping to get the rear callipers off and rebuild them over the winter (once I've drilled out / snapped a stuck bolt)...

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

As a passenger I was impressed of Captains stopping power, only after I turned off my standard ABS did my hard peddle go away and I had more confidence.

 

I would like the 4 channel I think

[ArticMonkey]

It also made me realise people like DaveE are very handy if they can control the torque and boost of a turbo so well while still keeping it on track.  

    Yeah that! mmm could he be the Stig?

If he is, they photoshop the hell out of his middle section on tv.

[Dave E]

Lmfao

[WrightStuff]

Dave E doesn't control the torque, he has traction control he's not told anybody about!   

[Firthy]

 

Some great driving from the Captain; it must have been frustrating sitting behind them knowing you had the speed under brakes and in corners.
 
Disagree with you Artic though. Yup, an NA in pure form is a fantastic car to drive on track but the linear delivery of 250-300 BHP of SC power is a big step forwards. I am back on the pow

er as early as I would have been in the NA just 8 seconds quicker round Brands Indy.

And if I had your skill and experience behind the wheel it would be a natural step forward.

For me going from a sc back to an NA it gave me more time to get things right before thinking about power to much. I know once I've reached the limits of my NA I will be happy to up the power and learn the car all over. I found at the national that my NA was very simple and predictable to drive where as when I drove bargi's stage 2.5 I was right on (IMO) my abilities. Having to juggle power and the cars movements with the throttle while doing everything else was alot more involved. Whether I could keep that up constantly would be another question. It also made me realise people like DaveE are very handy if they can control the torque and boost of a turbo so well while still keeping it on track.

Not saying an NA is better or worse, just in my short time on track is IMO easier to expoloit on the limit.

 

 

I do know what your saying here, but often in reality (and this is very common) most people think an n/a is easier to drive at the limits because they are no way near the limits of an n/a.. You feel your more at the limit in an s/c because it arrives quicker & accelerates faster which makes you feel on the limit, but in reality they're nowhere near the limit either... 

 

I was doing a 56.3 when I was there last and in places I was on the limit but in other places miles off it..... I had a horrendous line through surtees Mclaren & Clearways so I know there's a lot more time to find..... On the day it felt quick but after analysing my laps properly I know there is still so much time left to find. Which is what I love about it.... there is sooo much to learn

 

One of my fav elise vids of all time......Epic epic video

 

Edited by Firthy, 10 December 2013 - 02:11 PM.

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One of my fav elise vids of all time......Epic epic video

 

 

Added to favorites. Thank you

[MartinS]

I have found the 4 channel makes little difference certainly on the road (where I've had many an ice mode with it on) and its only been worth having on (in my car) on a couple of very wet track days. It seems abs on vx's is very much unique to each car as it certainly wroked on caoptian vimes car.

 

Martin s

 

 

Edited by MartinS, 11 December 2013 - 08:41 AM.

[MartinS]

Cant get to the photos now, anyone got a link? Martin S

[Captain Vimes]

Is this working?

http://www.flickr.co...ack-track-days/

Cant get to the photos now, anyone got a link?

Martin S