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[Mike (Cliffie)]

Scuffers, do you have the Pro Classes qualifying and final time sheets?

[Mike (Cliffie)]

What do you reckon you could do it in now Mike?

1:32 if lucky... If I got my serious head on, I can break into the 1:29, possibly a high 1:28 now I have learned the circuit better.

[chris_uk]

Blimey! Looks like somebody has a bit of a chip on their shoulder!

 

no chip.. litterally NO chip... 

 

i was just taking the p*ss 

[MAXR]

There seems to be a lot of big talk on here, I'm surprised many of you can fit your heads into your helmets! I've been a passenger around a track with Simon driving & also had some tuition from him. I've been on track with many of the usual VX trackers over the years. Quite frankly boys, he pedals a car better than any of us. Given he was in a standard NA (which I have also driven) how can you even compare your times with his? I'm pretty sure I'd go a bit quicker than him in my SC car around a track with him in the standard NA. However, if we were to swap cars, he would be far, far quicker than me. I'm also sure that if he drove any of your cars, he'd make you look average & slow. Put it into perspective boys & get over your lack of skill. Max

[J13ME]

What have I started here. :0

[P11 COV]

! I've been a passenger around a track with Simon driving & also had some tuition from him. I've been on track with many of the usual VX trackers over the years. Quite frankly boys, he pedals a car better than any of us. Given he was in a standard NA (which I have also driven) how can you even compare your times with his?  

 

Which makes this comment by scuffers.....

 

 

My point is that you don't need that much of a VX to win club class. Realistically, a well setup VX with ~200+ hp should cut it...

 

a little disingenuous. Scuffers is either a little too modest or has a lack of understanding of the skills of an average VX owner.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Paul, I think Simon means he could win club class in a 200BHP VX, I needed 300 BHP.

 

What you need more than anything else as Simon will testify to is reliability.

[chris_uk]

I dont believe even simon could win with only 200hp in a vx.. But thats just my opinion.. Out of interest, what tyres were you using on the na simon?

[G-Bob]

Just as well I don't enter in my MX5.  You guys just shouldn't bother turning up then.  

[rob999]

Kumhos AFAIK. Not V70's...

[siztenboots]

lobs hand grenade , exits thread

[Matthew Bentley Racing Ltd]

Was interested in times so had a look on TSL. Only circuit layout that is the same is Cadwell. Both 2013 race/final times.  

 

A basic 150bhp Lotus Elise Trophy car on Avon ZZR's did a 1.39.153 with an non-pro driver.

The fastest club class time attack car was Phil Reed in an 800bhp Evo he did a 1.35.060.

Darron did a 1.47.863.

 

So I guess that maby with 200bhp, a wing and splitter you could win with a good driver.

 

[Matthew Bentley Racing Ltd]

Found one more. Oulton Park.

 

150bhp Elise  - 1.56.6

Time attack best - Chris Bennett Impreza - 1.53.1

Darron - 1.57.1

270bhp Lotus 2-11 - 1.49.3

[J13ME]

Some of the Elise Trophy drivers are seriously skilled though! I'm going to have stage 2 for a few months while it's still warm, try it on the uk circuits and set some times. Will go have the stage 3 done end of the year and try again on same circuits and see how times compare. If the extra power proves to be slowing me down on exits due to extra power it will pull the power back a bit and still have the internals for reassurance. If I get on well with the power on track then can consider stage 4. Can't wait to get it on track!

[Scuffers]

Paul, I think Simon means he could win club class in a 200BHP VX, I needed 300 BHP.

 

What you need more than anything else as Simon will testify to is reliability.

exactly.

 

the fact you managed a 1:30 with your what? ~350hp VX kind of makes the point, losing 150Hp would not cost you 7 seconds.

 

one of the big problems in all this is people can buy power, the problem with that is with more power, their driving usually get's worse as they can just use the power to make up for lack of exit speed, plus they then start to get chicken with the throttle in anything other than a straight line (turbo drivers excepted as with the shite throttle response I can 100% understand this is far from easy!)

 

personally, if you want to improve your driving, it's a lot easier to learn when you don't have a shed load of power that your scared to deploy mid-corner.

 

as for me, well, obviously I am not a complete donkey driver, however, I am far from a driving god, having raced against so truly great professionals, I know where my place is, and it's not waiting for the phone to ring from Ferrari or the like!

[G-Bob]

 

 

....I know where my place is, and it's not waiting for the phone to ring from Ferrari or the like!

 

 

Caterham F1? 

[SteveA]

F1 is obsessed with youth though, you have to be 19 or willing to pay £1M+ for your seat or both these days.

[Matthew Bentley Racing Ltd]

 

 

 

....I know where my place is, and it's not waiting for the phone to ring from Ferrari or the like!

 

 

Caterham F1? 

 

 

Ridiculous suggestion...................at best Marussia........

[chris_uk]

Was interested in times so had a look on TSL. Only circuit layout that is the same is Cadwell. Both 2013 race/final times.     A basic 150bhp Lotus Elise Trophy car on Avon ZZR's did a 1.39.153 with an non-pro driver. The fastest club class time attack car was Phil Reed in an 800bhp Evo he did a 1.35.060. Darron did a 1.47.863.   So I guess that maby with 200bhp, a wing and splitter you could win with a good driver.  

Interesting. At blyton park (with a 13st passenger) my pb was a 1'11.5ish, with a theoretical 1'10.8. I really dont think i am all that good a driver either but id be hard pressed to think that scuffs could beat me in a 200bhp vx. If we was to enter the ta in the same class, me in mine and scuffs in a 200ish bhp vx i couldnt see him beating me. No doubt he is a better driver but i cant see his extra skill being enough to actually overcome the power difference of mine. If we ask that theoretical question .. would scuffs in a 200ish bhp vx be able to beat randall in his europa chances are the answers would be no. Agree ? Randall in his europa did a 1'10.5 @ blyton.

[CocoPops]

One way to find out...