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[PaulCP]

Hoping someone on here can help with the minefield of regulations We need a new cooker (free standing) and because of the many power cuts we have wife wants Gas. I have found installation position regulations and think that we are ok apart from the cooker hood. The wall units either side are the same width apart as the cooker but the bottom of the units are 460mm above the hob height so that appears ok. Problem could be the cooker hood which is enclosed in a wooden unit but is 650mm above the hob. Regulations suggest this needs to be 760mm but also states "refer to cooker hood installation instructions." Does anyone know which takes preference if the cooker hood instructions state something different, bearing in mind it is installed in a combustible cabinet? Also, although gas cookers have a fail safe device which prevents the oven being used in power cuts, is it still possible to light the hob with a match or does the latest fail safe devices also prevent this?

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

there should be 150mm between the virtical line of each side Of cupboards above cooker top

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 30 October 2014 - 06:40 PM.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

However a hood within a cupboard is designed to have the 150mm each side built in to the unit But it is a grey area

[christhegasman]

So chili beat me to the gas standards drawing 😀 Manufacturers instructions for hood and cooker take preference and therefore override standards So have a look at your cooker manufacturers instructions but most will dictate the 150 mm either side As for electrics Not all cookers have an electric valve which controls the oven ( general but not conclusive if it doesn't have a clock / timer it probably has a mechanical safety device ) And it its battery ignition and no electric plug on it the it defiantly won't be affected by power cuts 😀 Most hobs can be lit with a match anyway

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Chris if you followed gas regs is it true the lower cupboards should be 150 mm away from a freestanding cooker anyway But this rarely gets applied ??

[christhegasman]

Chris if you followed gas regs is it true the lower cupboards should be 150 mm away from a freestanding cooker anyway But this rarely gets applied ??

You mean an air gap between the cooker sides and the base units Never seen anyone actually enforce that but think it's less than 150 mm Most manufacturers go for 25mm ish Which is still often not enforced except in installation 😄

Edited by christhegasman, 30 October 2014 - 07:12 PM.

[PaulCP]

Hmmmm, that drawing is different to the one I found in an installation manual which showed that the clearance to each side needed to be 50mm for the first 460mm of height above the hob. Above 460mm the wall unit can be in line with the side of the hob/cooker. Our kitchen was installed 15 years ago when the house was built, we have a gap of 600mm between base units for the cooker to sit in and the wall units above are also 600mm apart, but at 460mm above the work bench, hence the diagram I was looking at seemed ok except for the cooker hood height. The manual also stated that the above dimension conformed to BS6172, is there a more recent update to the regulations to the one I was looking at? Looks as though the easiest way through the minefield is to stick with electric cookers

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Three lots of regs Building regs Gas regs 17 th edition electrical installation They all say slightly different things but all have minimum gaps spaces

[PaulCP]

Chris if you followed gas regs is it true the lower cupboards should be 150 mm away from a freestanding cooker anyway But this rarely gets applied ??

You mean an air gap between the cooker sides and the base units Never seen anyone actually enforce that but think it's less than 150 mm Most manufacturers go for 25mm ish Which is still often not enforced except in installation 😄

Installation manual for Zanussi & Stoves say a 2mm gap and state that a 595mm width cooker is designed to fit into a 600mm gap Seems as though manufacturers and gas regulation contradict each other to a confusing extent

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Now you see issues kitchen fitters Sparks and gas fitter have to deal with These planners of kitchens don't give a fcuk

[christhegasman]

Chris if you followed gas regs is it true the lower cupboards should be 150 mm away from a freestanding cooker anyway But this rarely gets applied ??

You mean an air gap between the cooker sides and the base units Never seen anyone actually enforce that but think it's less than 150 mm Most manufacturers go for 25mm ish Which is still often not enforced except in installation 😄

Installation manual for Zanussi & Stoves say a 2mm gap and state that a 595mm width cooker is designed to fit into a 600mm gap Seems as though manufacturers and gas regulation contradict each other to a confusing extent

As I said the manufacturers instructions over ride the standards and regs So if you can find a cooker that the makers instructions say will be ok in those cupboards then it can be fitted

[PaulCP]

Chill, I see your point and many thanks to you both for the advice The point I was trying to work out was that Cooker manufacturers appear to give dimensions which vary significantly to the regulations. It appears from what you are both saying that the manufacturers recommendations take precedence over the BS which makes one wonder why there is such a large variation between the 2 Anyhow, it looks as though we a fcuked gas wise unless we redesign part of the kitchen which contains the hood so maybe the best way forward is with an electric cooker. Thanks again for the advice and insight which I am grateful for

Edited by PaulCP, 30 October 2014 - 07:53 PM.

[JG]

I've just had a new Rangemaster installed, I did the kitchen myself and while i could have connected the cooker just as well as anyone else, i elected, reluctantly to pay someone to do it. £90+ vat for the gas connection alone

 

 

 

 

[The Knobs]

New kitchen needed !! Keep you out of mischief for a while

[siztenboots]

part of the install should be gas pressure check of the regulator with all gas appliances turned on to max.

 

which if it fails means the gas fitter must wait on the premises till the engineer arrives.