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[FLD]

I guess they're an annual replacement olong with HCB's then.

[Zoobeef]

It also depends if the way mine was put together is normal or incredibly dangerous.

[Arno]

Washers should be between the rosejoint and the spacer to adjust the bumpsteer, not between the upright and the ali spacer.

 

However.. The OEM toe links are at least 10.9 grade and done up to 65Nm ('Track control rod to hub carrier'):

 

http://www.speedster...s - Group F.pdf

 

so using 8.8's at 45Nm seems odd to me to start with...

 

Bye, Arno.

[Tonie Pettersson]

Right,  may have found an issue. Took the other side apart and that bolt has bent (8.8) but the way it's together looks wrong (too me) Looking at this picture of the way it was assembled there are 3 washers above the top spacer. In effect lowering the bearing point and creating a larger lever. I take it that is not right?? Talking to elise parts at the min too.  

 

Can it be that someone has adjusted the rear bump steer by adding washers?

 

*Edit. Arno was faster...

Edited by Tonie Pettersson, 24 April 2015 - 01:17 PM.

[smiley]

so using 8.8's at 45Nm seems odd to me to start with...

 

 

Elise-shop kit is the same. 8.8 bolts and 45nm.

http://www.auto-edit...nk/toelinks.zip

(edit 10.9 bolts optional i just noticed)

 

 

Edited by smiley, 24 April 2015 - 01:46 PM.

[Zoobeef]

It was a elise parts kit so I don't know if 8.8 is their standard or if these were changed at some point.

 

How would you put washers between the joint and spacer as the spacer has a shoulder that sits inside the bearing?

[mbes2]

I will go and see how mine are setup and post a photo

 

 

Edited by mbes2, 24 April 2015 - 02:31 PM.

[Rusty789]

I'm now scared, I dont think any of this has been changed in my ownership toe-links or HCB's!

 

Best throw some more money at it!

Edited by Rusty789, 24 April 2015 - 02:58 PM.

[furtive]

What are HCB's? Google suggests "Hard Core Bitches" but that can't be right"

[Rusty789]

Hub Carrier Bolts

[JG]

I change the outer bolts once a year. 

 

Pretty easy given that they are available for a tenner here

http://www.elise-sho...0-p-502715.html

 

I must admit i haven't changed the inner ones yet. 

 

HCBs, also 10.9 and once every 2-3 years. 

[Rusty789]

It also depends if the way mine was put together is normal or incredibly dangerous.

 

Zoobeef, that picture has three washers in the same place as yours does it not?

[Spitfire Engineering]

It was a elise parts kit so I don't know if 8.8 is their standard or if these were changed at some point.

 

How would you put washers between the joint and spacer as the spacer has a shoulder that sits inside the bearing?

 

The fitted collets is a Spitfire design and it adds to the overall stiffness of the component chain.

 

[Rusty789]

I change the outer bolts once a year. 

 

Pretty easy given that they are available for a tenner here

http://www.elise-sho...0-p-502715.html

 

I must admit i haven't changed the inner ones yet. 

 

HCBs, also 10.9 and once every 2-3 years. 

 

Is that kit not for both inner and outer? Can you still get uprated HCB's?

[JG]

yes (but the inner ones aren't under nearly as much stress, or strain) and yes

 

[Spitfire Engineering]

 

 

Spitfire. That's what's snapped.

  These ones don't snap though, this is the M12 conversion we have been doing for some time now.

What's involved to adapt too that? M12 bearing, spacers and machine the hub to M12?

 

 

 

Yes, but then you need new rods as well.

 

The Spifire kit has a hybrid bearing which will take an M12 or an M10.

[JG]

but you might as well get them from deroure these days as they are pretty competitive - i got to the point of only being able to undercut them by a quid or so. 

 

[JG]

 

 

 

Spitfire. That's what's snapped.

  These ones don't snap though, this is the M12 conversion we have been doing for some time now.

What's involved to adapt too that? M12 bearing, spacers and machine the hub to M12?

 

 

 

Yes, but then you need new rods as well.

 

The Spifire kit has a hybrid bearing which will take an M12 or an M10.

 

 

Is there enough 'meat' in the hub to machine out to m12. I'm not convinced. 

regular maintenance for what is a fatigue problem is the way to deal with it in my view. 

[Zoobeef]

Well elise parts can't sell me the one spacer as then can't guarantee its the same so want me to buy the whole kit. Yeah cheers.

 

So I'm taking the other side one to work and they are going to copy it on the lathe.

 

Then new bolts an nuts and spares. Replace every year, check every trackday.

[slindborg]

by the way, for MOST of you, there is no need to be "scared".... just get someone who knows WTF they are doing to have a little peek under there as a start.