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[Exmantaa]

Done a oil change on Martins car ,put 6.5 litres in and nothing showing on dip stick . I think this is the problem as any more oil and it will breath it out on track . Have you got his old z22se dipstick Neil or anybody got a vx220 z22se dipstick ?

 

And 6.5l is already a lot...

GM prescribes 6.3 qts / 6.0 ltr for the LSJ (B207 the same) a full change incl filter.

[fezzasus]

However Martin's using the VX220 oil cooler which will have a higher oil capacity than the SAAB one, bringing the total oil capacity up.

[Kieran McC]

The Saab B207 have not just been a drop in replacement for the Z22se .You have to do quite a few modiforcations.

[vocky]

Done a oil change on Martins car ,put 6.5 litres in and nothing showing on dip stick . I think this is the problem as any more oil and it will breath it out on track . Have you got his old z22se dipstick Neil or anybody got a vx220 z22se dipstick ?

 

I have a few old Saab dipstick tubes and one old manky vx220 dipstick tube.

 

However the FULL reading with the vx220 dipstick tube is exactly the same as HALF if using the Saab dipstick tube.

 

Confused - the dipsticks are both identical, it is the length of the metal dipstick tube which differs

 

ps: just fill it to the HALF reading and it should be okay.

Edited by vocky, 29 December 2015 - 12:10 PM.

[Exmantaa]

However Martin's using the VX220 oil cooler which will have a higher oil capacity than the SAAB one, bringing the total oil capacity up.

If you drain that one empty you need to add some extra, but that's not on a regular change.

[Exmantaa]

Done a oil change on Martins car ,put 6.5 litres in and nothing showing on dip stick . I think this is the problem as any more oil and it will breath it out on track . Have you got his old z22se dipstick Neil or anybody got a vx220 z22se dipstick ?

  I have a few old Saab dipstick tubes and one old manky vx220 dipstick tube.   However the FULL reading with the vx220 dipstick tube is exactly the same as HALF if using the Saab dipstick tube.   Confused - the dipsticks are both identical, it is the length of the metal dipstick tube which differs   ps: just fill it to the HALF reading and it should be okay.

But also the dipstick position is different between a saab sump or a Z22SE sump...

[CocoPops]

The Saab B207 have not just been a drop in replacement for the Z22se .You have to do quite a few modiforcations.

That's my point, some people bought the saabs under the premise of "oh it's just a drop in" yet when you factor in modifications and Dutch ecus, it's a lot more than a straight swap z22se which is perfect for the sweet spot of 250-260bhp. Sure if you need more power and have bigger pockets, then swap to the Saab, but Martin wasn't chasing power he just wanted to get back up and running with minimal fuss.

[Bargi]

hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

[leevx2.2]

Just checked it a z22se dipstick is longer so have changed it with mine reads where I want to be ,with the Saab dipstick it is being overfilled by .5 of a litre so some of the problem or all of the problem is being overfilled ;-) happy days hopefully

[leevx2.2]

It's not the tube it's the metal wire stick that is longer on the z22se

[leevx2.2]

It's all to do with the angle of the engine in different cars

[haggi961]

So what's the best dipstick and tube to use on the Saab sump?

[ArticMonkey]

The Saab B207 have not just been a drop in replacement for the Z22se .You have to do quite a few modiforcations.

It's easier to blame others and the products, rather than expect the obvious when it comes to fitting a different engine. This conversion was never stated to be a simple swop and plug in option. The engine was the cheapest way to buy all the parts needed for any of the conversions or rebuilds. It at the time (and still does) make financial sense to buy a Saab block with all the trimmings. What you decide to do with it is down to your personal preference and Martin chose the cheaper route (at the time) with the added benefit of being stronger and more reliable. However this was never going to be the simplest route as this conversion is still in its infancy and therefor would need time and knowledge to overcome teething problems and faults that come with any new conversion (I should know as I've had no end of them). No disrespect to Martin but he hasn't got these above skills like others do and needs aid and guidance to help him resolve issues. Big problem with this is everyone has an opinion and it's the one who shouts loudest who gets the attention (engines blown up, needs new pistons, bla, bla, bla). It's normally the simplest option that turns out to be the cause, and what do you know a blocked cat and sluggish cc pump and overfilling of oil has done just that. You can't rush and think once the engine is in you're home and dry. The Dutch software takes many hours of study and practical time to be able to exploit it's benefits. I myself have had owners off here come and show me the ins and outs along with mapping sessions and I'm still a little rusty in places. You can't expect to just click on fuel learn and after a drive have a fantastic map ready for use. If you're willing to spend the time with OBD then it's the best option for owners but if you want a fit and forget option get a tuner involved. Maybe this is what Martin should of done from the word go (then again would we all now be blaming that tuner for the issues)? Driving to holland and attempting a track day on a base map ended two cats in martins exhaust and caused high oil usage on a barely run in engine. I for one advised against it and I know others did until the car was over 1000miles and had the correct mapping be it on road or RR. He has his reasons for going ahead with things and that's totally fine, but I myself jumped the gun before my engine was ready and caused more issue for myself in turn. Sorry to be the one to tell it like it is but dragging the Saab engine and OBD software down because someone didn't quite get on with it is wrong way to go about it. In conclusion all I'll say is don't go buying and fitting a Saab B207 thinking it'll be the same old classic stage 2 SC, it won't so buy a used z22se if that's what you want. If you don't have the time and patience with a new product then just stay well away. Or expect to pay others like vocky, MBR or CS to build and map it all for you, with the problem of getting the car to them if things go wrong. You can't blame the product when the owner over spec'd it or was oversold on it surly?! I researched everything needed and talked to vocky about my build so I new what was what. I even help (strong word) with the engine swop so I could learn how to do the same if it was needed for the future.

Edited by ArticMonkey, 29 December 2015 - 01:15 PM.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I think that has just hit the nail on the head It was all about cost 2.0 with trigger wheel should of been a cheap option The straight swap version was a more expensive forged 2.2 with different crank As for the mapping Three options CS forget about it run with what you have Standalone and pay to get it mapped Obd tuner take things into your own hands and learn something new or take it to someone who will map it for you

Edited by CHILL Gone DUTCH, 29 December 2015 - 01:20 PM.

[leevx2.2]

So what's the best dipstick and tube to use on the Saab sump?

z22se

[leevx2.2]

Artic is yours all sorted yet ?

[ArticMonkey]

Artic is yours all sorted yet ?

You mean the body work or the engine? I need to put metal gaskets on my spacer as it's leaking boost pressure into the crank top end. Once that's sorted (touch wood) it will be ready for final mapping. Lack of garage and good weather has stopped play for now.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Artic is yours all sorted yet ?

You mean the body work or the engine? I need to put metal gaskets on my spacer as it's leaking boost pressure into the crank top end. Once that's sorted (touch wood) it will be ready for final mapping. Lack of garage and good weather has stopped play for now.

And put a bigger pulley on

[Exmantaa]

 

So what's the best dipstick and tube to use on the Saab sump?

z22se

 

 

Always good to double check the reading with a known volume of oil in the engine, as the dipstick position in the Saab sump sits different (lower or higher, don't remember) than in the Z22SE sump.

 

If the Z22SE stick reads good with max 6-6,5l in the saab, all is well. 

(ps; did you check how much oil came out of Martins engine?)

[leevx2.2]

Yes about 6.5 litres but this was on minimum reading on dipstick ,it has always been overfilled from day one as dipstick was saying put more in .