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[Exmantaa]

As said:

"Basically he shortened his wheelbase because he has bought new clothing 1 size too small fitted an Exige body onto a VX ..."

Edited by Exmantaa, 12 October 2015 - 03:17 PM.

[chris_uk]

They were not cut and rewelsed they were new custom ones made. Because they move the wheel in the wheel arch forward or backwards now the springs catch on the cv boot.

[The Batman]

Same thing

[SteveA]

To be honest I think the propshaft for the 4wd system is the biggest bodge.

[Scuffers]

They were not cut and rewelsed they were new custom ones made. Because they move the wheel in the wheel arch forward or backwards now the springs catch on the cv boot.

err.... OK...

 

Looked at that thread can't see a picture to show the difference etc?

[haggi961]

http://www.vx220.org...project/page-26   his thread is here, something along the lines of vx220 turnt into a s2 exige but rear wishbones needed cutting and rewelding to avoid body blah blah blah

The cheek 😃 The wishbones weren't cut done but a custom set made to oem quailty for the rear to push the drive shafts and wheels in a certain direction to stop the exige clam catching. The lotus wheel base is different then the vx and 2.5cm smaller if I remember correct.

[The Batman]

Custom/cut and shut its the same thing Jeez everyone is so touchy these days

[haggi961]

You can see the difference better here. Orange are oem and black are custom ones, not cut down welded version Joe 😄
With the wishbones it has now strighted my driveshaft as standard it sits on a angle, so the cv boot sits close to the shock body and 2.25" inch catch on the boot where as 1.9" don't.

[The Batman]

It's cut down pipe and welded though

[haggi961]

OK, I guess we are talking  about this bodge:
 
 

 
though I am not sure why this affects the dampers clearances?
 
 

And what do you mean bodge, that there is a perfect fitted and matched colour on the powedrcoat parts.

[Exmantaa]

You can see the difference better here. Orange are oem and black are custom ones, not cut down welded version Joe 😄 With the wishbones it has now strighted my driveshaft as standard it sits on a angle, so the cv boot sits close to the shock body and 2.25" inch catch on the boot where as 1.9" don't.

 

Besides more forward (2300 vs 2330mm wheelbase) are these also wider than VX wishbones?

(The wishbones Herman had made (by Plans?) for his Carbon GT3 conversion also had a wider track to fill his huge wheel arches, so if you copied those... )

[haggi961]

You can see the difference better here. Orange are oem and black are custom ones, not cut down welded version Joe 😄 With the wishbones it has now strighted my driveshaft as standard it sits on a angle, so the cv boot sits close to the shock body and 2.25" inch catch on the boot where as 1.9" don't.

  Besides more forward (2300 vs 2330mm wheelbase) are these also wider than VX wishbones? (The wishbones Herman had made (by Plans?) for his Carbon GT3 conversion also had a wider track to fill his huge wheel arches, so if you copied those... )

I wouldn't say there larger just the positioning has changed which then moves the upright as well. They are the plans ones that where made for his car. I now have to run roughly 8mm of shims on one side and 6mm on the other to get a decent camber on the rear as it could easily run 4 degrees plus if I wanted it to. I'm going to get the balljoint block made up to fill the gap instead of loads of shims. The driveshaft are the biggest plus for me as there completed straight now but this limits the suspension i can run and the reason I've got Ohlins. This now means I can run wider tyres on the rear as the Ats wheels are 9 inch wide so can accommodate wider tyres then before but I don't know how much i can get away with yet.

Edited by haggi961, 12 October 2015 - 05:03 PM.

[Exmantaa]

 

 

You can see the difference better here. Orange are oem and black are custom ones, not cut down welded version Joe 😄 With the wishbones it has now strighted my driveshaft as standard it sits on a angle, so the cv boot sits close to the shock body and 2.25" inch catch on the boot where as 1.9" don't.

  Besides more forward (2300 vs 2330mm wheelbase) are these also wider than VX wishbones? (The wishbones Herman had made (by Plans?) for his Carbon GT3 conversion also had a wider track to fill his huge wheel arches, so if you copied those...   )

I wouldn't say there larger just the positioning has changed which then moves the upright as well. They are the plans ones that where made for his car. I now have to run roughly 8mm of shims on one side and 6mm on the other to get a decent camber on the rear as it could easily run 4 degrees plus if I wanted it to. I'm going to get the balljoint block made up to fill the gap instead of loads of shims. The driveshaft are the biggest plus for me as there completed straight now but this limits the suspension i can run and the reason I've got Ohlins. This now means I can run wider tyres on the rear as the Ats wheels are 9 inch wide so can accommodate wider tyres then before but I don't know how much i can get away with yet.

 

 

That's what I already thought; a copy of Herman's "Spexige" wishbones.

Besides the more forward pivot/upright, these should also have a wider track, but not sure how much wider he had them made to fill his HUGE Cadena GT3 arches...

 

(you measured them accurately above to eachother? I'm curious if these were widened the same distance for the top and bottom wishbone.)  

[haggi961]

These are hermans wishbones. With his wide arches on the clam he used spacers to fill the gap and not these as they sit perfect in the arch. I'm meaning I have gained a little more space due to the clam so might get away with 255 tyres on the rear. Yep that picture is them sitting together. The top and bottom wishbones are both moving the balljoint hole in the same direction but there not any longer then standard. Once there dry as I'm just painting them, i will lay them next to each other and measure up.

Edited by haggi961, 12 October 2015 - 05:25 PM.

[Scuffers]

And what do you mean bodge, that there is a perfect fitted and matched colour on the powedrcoat parts.

 

Bodge as in the whole concept is bodged.

 

yes, it looks very pretty and clean etc, does not change the simple issue that the concept and implementation is plain wrong.

 

for example, I am sure I could make a very nice looking chocolate teapot, however, it;s functionality would be less than idea.

[haggi961]

And what do you mean bodge, that there is a perfect fitted and matched colour on the powedrcoat parts.  

Bodge as in the whole concept is bodged.   yes, it looks very pretty and clean etc, does not change the simple issue that the concept and implementation is plain wrong.   for example, I am sure I could make a very nice looking chocolate teapot, however, it;s functionality would be less than idea.

I'm no suspension guru but all I know is with all the bits I've fitted over the years the car handles better and better each time I add something and set it up again. Im not chasing laptimes or willy waving I'm just enjoying tinkering with the car each time and learning as I go along then enjoying the rewards on the roads of gods country 😀

[chris_uk]

how is keeping the car from rolling through corners and still being able to absorb the bumps a 'concept being wrong' 

how is just adding a rear arb going to be so bad? because effectively thats all he has done.. if he had harder springs and the front arb 1" then the setup would be no different that what is 'deemed' as the way to go.. 

 

just because you dont like the way its done doesnt automatically make it the wrong way to do it.

[Exmantaa]

These are hermans wishbones. With his wide arches on the clam he used spacers to fill the gap and not these as they sit perfect in the arch. I'm meaning I have gained a little more space due to the clam so might get away with 255 tyres on the rear. Yep that picture is them sitting together. The top and bottom wishbones are both moving the balljoint hole in the same direction but there not any longer then standard. Once there dry as I'm just painting them, i will lay them next to each other and measure up.

 

Ah, now I remember. After the initial Exige conversion was ready, he had a new set of wishbones made in T45 to save some unsprung weight. You have his first set.    

[Scuffers]

how is keeping the car from rolling through corners and still being able to absorb the bumps a 'concept being wrong'  how is just adding a rear arb going to be so bad? because effectively thats all he has done.. if he had harder springs and the front arb 1" then the setup would be no different that what is 'deemed' as the way to go..    just because you dont like the way its done doesnt automatically make it the wrong way to do it.

How is that the same? Front wheels are not being driven just for starters. Other point to make is that an arb only transfers load, it's not a substitute for the springs.

[chris_uk]

what im saying is that if you had a VX setup "your way" (Big ARB, properly spec'd springs and dampers etc) why would that be ok but adding a rear ARB be a wrong? 

You said the concept of having a rear arb setup is wrong and im asking why is it? if i just added a rear ARB to max's car would all of a sudden max's car be "wrong"? 

cornering force have said that their cars are road cars and that they use soft springs to adsorb the harsh ride and the arb's to keep the roll under control.. why is that "wrong"? 

 

if it was such a wrong concept then why is it that race cars use a rear arb? you know gt3, 2 lemans cars bla bla bla.. surely if the concept if wrong they would just drive around with no rear arb at all because you say its wrong.