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#161 The Batman

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Posted 07 April 2016 - 10:27 PM

:lol: ah man I'm gonna have to go look now Quick skim of the first few pages and there appears to be no plan :lol:

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#162 Doctor Ed

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 06:04 AM

Plan is "build a complete car from 2 wrecks". Engine options are open, though at present I've got an unbeatable offer on an A20NFT. That leaves my engine stand empty though, so once the car is running, will probably start playing with another motor as a side project

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 06:54 AM

Engine options are open, though at present I've got an unbeatable offer on an A20NFT.  

 

That is deffo what I'd go for in your position. It is a thoughly modern engine and got some nice parts in it to make it robust for 350 BHP easily. With your skills I'd imagine it to be a fairly easily fit, as its form factor will be very similar to a Z22 or Z20.

 

How much is the engine if you don't mind me asking?


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Posted 08 April 2016 - 08:49 AM

A20NFT.... Any plans on the ecu management for that one? (can quite difficult to swap a SIDI ecu into another car with all the other integrated CAN systems.) 

And I assume you will delete the boot area, as the turbo sits high over the rear subframe.

 

PS; I have a brand new A20NHT/NFT block in plastic somewhere in my garage, but too much other projects going on. :happy:



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 09:55 AM

PS; I have a brand new A20NHT/NFT block in plastic somewhere in my garage, 

 

Well, you did. But that's the one Ed got an unbeatable offer on. :ninja:



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 10:38 AM

exmantaa never sells anything.

He's gonna need a bigger house soon.

 



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 10:49 AM

well if he does want to sell it, im open to offers :)

 

have one, also new in plastic, with turbocharger, sensors, ignighters etc (esentially complete) for €2600 lined up otherwise.

 

re: ECU - to be honest, Im an electronics retard. I can do the basics, but the world got too advanced for me about 15years ago, and Ive got no idea these days

- fortunately however, a particualrly pleasant electrical engineer here in germany (who contacted me through here funnily enough) has offered to do the wiring/system integration. has already done so sucessfully with a german speedster.

 

I just need to get the car mechanichally to a stage where i can trailer it around to him, and let him do the wiring/ecu recoding



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 11:21 AM

A20NFT

I also have a A20NFT engine, but it's staying firmly where vauxhall stuck it ..... in the car :lol:


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Posted 08 April 2016 - 11:34 AM

well if he does want to sell it, im open to offers :)

 

have one, also new in plastic, with turbocharger, sensors, ignighters etc (esentially complete) for €2600 lined up otherwise.

 

re: ECU - to be honest, Im an electronics retard. I can do the basics, but the world got too advanced for me about 15years ago, and Ive got no idea these days

- fortunately however, a particualrly pleasant electrical engineer here in germany (who contacted me through here funnily enough) has offered to do the wiring/system integration. has already done so sucessfully with a german speedster.

 

I just need to get the car mechanichally to a stage where i can trailer it around to him, and let him do the wiring/ecu recoding

 

Well, mine was a bit cheaper, but it lacks the turbocharger. (That need to be swapped anyway if you want serious power. :happy:)

Problem with those direct injection engines is to get the OEM ecu work as a stand alone unit in the Speedster. (not only wiring, but internal programming of the ecu.) If you managed that, there are several options available to tune the OEM ecu for more/different power etc.

And there are not many aftermarket ecu's that can handle direct injection...

 

Would be a nice engine for a road car I think, so maybe one day...

GMS used to run one in their yellow track Speedster monster, so search for that one here.



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 11:40 AM

Being from Oz you should go with a Haltech ECU http://www.haltech.com/

Also have a Flex fuel sensor for running E85 or Petrol and in between



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 12:00 PM

A good mate is a haltec tuner, and we were going to do some remote tuning with another engine,, but: A ) I'm in Germany, so forget aftermarket ecu in a road car B ) there's no E85 here anymore The guy I've been talking too has his A20 in his speedster, running, making 380hp

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 01:56 PM

Talking about it in this thread reminded me I needed to talk to the place that had the motor.... Anyway, got off the phone just now owning a factory new A20NFT That pretty much settles that then!

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 02:37 PM

Oh, and in a parts swap, seems like I just scored a new Titan quick rack. lol, Im on a roll today!



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 02:43 PM

Being from Oz you should go with a Haltech ECU http://www.haltech.com/

Also have a Flex fuel sensor for running E85 or Petrol and in between

 

Do you know much about them? I've been offered an Elite 1500 ecu that was on demo at the Autosport Show for very little money (the guy struck a deal for the V8 version at the same time). Currently locked in some kind of demo mode but Haltech are happy to unlock it for a very reasonable fee. 



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 02:47 PM

The Elite range is unreal

 

Ill puit you in contact with my guy if youre interested?



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 04:25 PM

A good mate is a haltec tuner, and we were going to do some remote tuning with another engine,, but: A ) I'm in Germany, so forget aftermarket ecu in a road car B ) there's no E85 here anymore The guy I've been talking too has his A20 in his speedster, running, making 380hp

Was this the car built by Hitec Viernheim? Also engine comes from Hitec? (Mario) grtz

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 05:23 PM

I dont think so

 

Dominik is the owner, and hes done all the work regarding hacking the ecu etc himself. Im not sure who did the mechanical part of the conversion, or where the engine itself was sourced.

 

My engine is coming from a place near Bremen



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 06:05 PM

So for the sake of making and keeping a 'plan' oriented, ill maybe try and keep this list of 'dones' and 'to-dos' up to date

 

The 'Acquired/Done' list:

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New A20NFT Motor[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Used M32 Gearbox[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Near new OEM Europa Driveshafts[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Near new OEM Europa engine mounts[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New 46mm nitrons[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Near new charcoal ATS DTC 7.5/9" with toyo R1Rs[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New Bosch 044 with 034motorsports surge tank [/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New 2pint accusump[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New Robin S1 splitter (the big one)[/color]
New Titan 2.5:1 Quick Rack
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Used 300/310 tesla brakes and uprights[/color]
Near New Ds2500[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;] [/color][color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]pads[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New MBR 1" ARB[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New Mirco race seat[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Used S2 Elise [/color]rollbar

New H1 6000k HIDs

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]The 'to do' list:[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Goodridge brake lines[/color]
Suspension[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;] blast/coat/[/color][color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]bushes/joints[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]New heater core[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Steering rack 8mm shim[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Brake cooler and ducting[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]QM 7.25" twinplate[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]new windscreen (sonoffa!)[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Dash redo[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Harness bar for the S2 hoop[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Need to get myself a new harness too[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]maybe QR steering hub and new wheel[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]machine steering arms for more camber[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]remount the ABS module somewhere[/color]

The 'in progress' list:
Front splitter[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;] [/color][color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]tray in the works.[/color]
[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Front clam repair +- headlights[/color]



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 06:38 PM

Vx220 is not difficult to retain oem functions via obd2 port and just run the engine on a separate obd2 port for the newer ecu. What I do on the Audi tfsi conversions and as long as the ecu immob is shut down its just remap and wire in other than working out the 4000 wires for the Audi loom lol Aftermarket ecu supporting direct fuel injection a mare to map and oem eci have some really good features so a no brainer No idea on the vaux ecu mind so of no help afraid Good luck with it DG




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