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[LY_Scott]

The unemplyment figure in May 2006 pre credit crunch was 5.4%

 

 

It's 5.4% today....

 

I'd be much more worried about all the old people we're paying for.

[LY_Scott]

Especially one's drawing their state pension and winter fuel allowance in Marbella....

[christhegasman]

The unemplyment figure in May 2006 pre credit crunch was 5.4%     It's 5.4% today....   I'd be much more worried about all the old people we're paying for.

You mean the Greeks 😀 And you are talking % 5.4% of today's population is a hell of a lot more freeloaders than 5.4% of 2006 population

[LY_Scott]

I don't really know where you're going with this other than looking for a daft figure.

 

Its the percentage that matters people making money over those not. The population is always going to increase. People are living longer and still having babies. Immigration is a factor but people leave too.

 

1986 - 56 Million

1996 - 58 Million

2006 - 61 Million

2016 - 64.1 Million

 

Unemployment went up over 8.4% in 2011 where it peaked...rmember the 2008 crisis and Tory policy...it's down to 5.4% today.

[LY_Scott]

Not sure what the greeks have to do with our unemployment rates.

[christhegasman]

Not sure what the greeks have to do with our unemployment rates.

they are the old people we are supporting you referred to ?

[christhegasman]

I don't really know where you're going with this other than looking for a daft figure.   Its the percentage that matters people making money over those not. The population is always going to increase. People are living longer and still having babies. Immigration is a factor but people leave too.   1986 - 56 Million 1996 - 58 Million 2006 - 61 Million 2016 - 64.1 Million   Unemployment went up over 8.4% in 2011 where it peaked...rmember the 2008 crisis and Tory policy...it's down to 5.4% today.

now you are trying to confuse figures I said which you contradicted that we had an increasing population and more unemployed which is true

[LY_Scott]

I'd like to know what your point was?

 

Populations increase. Always. Economic contributions are made mostly by those working. A side point ironically enough those on benefits put all of their money back in because they can't afford to save unlike higher earners who will not spend all of their money.

 

The percentage matters.  What is it you think should be happening with the figures?

 

[techieboy]

 

Not sure what the greeks have to do with our unemployment rates.

they are the old people we are supporting you referred to ?

 

 

Not sure HH has retired to his Greek villa yet.

[LY_Scott]

 

Not sure what the greeks have to do with our unemployment rates.

they are the old people we are supporting you referred to ?

 

 

Greek people are all old? and drawing UK state pensions and winter fuel allowance?

[G-Bob]

 

And you are talking % 5.4% of today's population is a hell of a lot more freeloaders than 5.4% of 2006 population

 

 

Also, means that 94.6% of a larger population is working and contributing.  Think about the figures.

 

example:

 

Everyone who works pays in £100 and everyone that doesn't takes out £100

95% work and 5% don't

 

population 100

 

paid in £9500

paid out £500

Balance: £9000

 

population 300

 

paid in £28500

paid out £1500

Balance:  £27000

 

If the percentage stays the same and the population increases then we are better off.

 

#mathsfacts

[Harry Hornet]

Harry that just utter garbage, We are in austerity because of the fcuking bank crash of 2008 and crappy tory policy since which isnt working. It has naff all to do with EU membership. I can't even believe I'm having to explain that to an adult.

 

 

 

Harry that just utter garbage, We are in austerity because of the fcuking bank crash of 2008 and crappy tory policy since which isnt working. It has naff all to do with EU membership. I can't even believe I'm having to explain that to an adult.

Nothing to do with Gordon Brown then , Spending it all when he was PM

 

 

 

 

Hi Scott..nothing personal taken

 

Keiran has answered for me..the banks collapse was due to poor management during the time when the reds were in, letting mortgages ramp up to the people who could not afford them and were affected when they lost their jobs....mostly in the USA...not even in EU or UK...wtf..greedy bastards....but the EU who do "watch" our money for us..or did ..i.e. The IMF which we got out off thank god...should have done something

 

Cameron agreed has handle this badly, p*ss poor management since and imo we (you and me) should not have had to shore them up, let them crash bang wallop...but nooo.....

 

but back on track to the EU...who advised this policy to help the banks.not the Tories but the EU..just like in Greece..dont let it go bankrupt...not our government whether blue or red who each have no bollocks..and go cap in hand to the city....

 

The In argument is all about the cash in the pockets..it will hit gdp, will hit stocks and shares, will hit property prices..youve never had it so good...bollocks..16-20  years ago certainly myself was much better off than i am now..when the EU was manageable..with around 10 countries, not fecking 27 or 28 with more poorer economies about to join on the horizon..really waht are they going to bring to the aprty

 

The EU managed to break down the Communist Union...now we want one just in a different disguise..

 

Trade wont stop, people movement wont stop just more controlled, exchange rates wont alter..they have moved from 1 to 1 to 1 to 1.45 in the last 10 years..its all called demand and supply..wtf..

 

IMO we are far better of OUT..lets have our own destiny..and shake the politicians up that we do care about this little island

 

 

and Techie..looking forward to being old and in Greece and claiming my winter fuel allowance....you and SCott will be paying for it  thanks. .

Edited by Harry Hornet, 02 June 2016 - 03:35 PM.

[Harry Hornet]

 

 

And you are talking % 5.4% of today's population is a hell of a lot more freeloaders than 5.4% of 2006 population

 

 

Also, means that 94.6% of a larger population is working and contributing.  Think about the figures.

 

example:

 

Everyone who works pays in £100 and everyone that doesn't takes out £100

95% work and 5% don't

 

population 100

 

paid in £9500

paid out £500

Balance: £9000

 

population 300

 

paid in £28500

paid out £1500

Balance:  £27000

 

If the percentage stays the same and the population increases then we are better off.

 

#mathsfacts

 

 

..GBoB ..what you haven't accounted for is the much larger demands on the infrastructure and public services...

 

lets say 100=£9000

and 300 =£27000

 

net result no gain...accept at the moment this and other governments are not doing % increase in same format as the growth in population but cutting costs...

 

..unless you know otherwise   

Edited by Harry Hornet, 02 June 2016 - 03:40 PM.

[LY_Scott]

The banks collapse started in the states with sub prime mortgages and very very shadey banking pracitces which were then exposed as the crisis increased. Labour did not help themselves but the credit cruch was not the fault of the labour party is was chuffing world wide ffs. Have a look at some graphs for borrowing during the labour administration

 

a side note...I guarantee you i hate Gordon Brown more than you.

 

Not really sure what the IMF could have done. I'd love to hear your ideas on that.

 

Maybe we should ask those who allowed the banks their freedom....

 

I'm pretty sure bailing out the banks was a Gordy Broon/Alistair Darling idea first...you'll rmember he had a summit. The americans followed suit.

 

"Trade won't stop"

 

Nobody is suggesting anything with stop but the parameters will change. Time will have an impact on all of it if tensions emerge. Seen a moan earlier about 20% import demand for food. So there will no longer be any demand to import from UK in return on a leave then? Or does that part not matter?

 

I'd rather there were no Spanish boats rummaging about in Scotland's waters but I very much like the trade deals the EU is making in the far east reducing tarriffs for Scotsh whisky from 45% to 0%........

 

 

 

 

[Harry Hornet]

....but I very much like the trade deals the EU is making in the far east reducing tarriffs for Scotsh whisky from 45% to 0%........

 

 

 

 

..aye agree with that..just a pity there arent any Scottish Goalkeepers to help your cause,  as the Chinese seem to have bottomless pockets for footballers as well...

 

....time to go home..

 

Out Out Out.. HH

[phil.d]

Actually , I think I'm gonna change my mind and vote to leave so when in 10 years time this country is still in the crapper and everything is still getting worse I can sit back and say "told you it was a bad idea ", and we'll have no one to blame but ourselves, because let's face it, everyone likes to blame others for the situation there in, oh and I'm 47 by the way so have plenty of experience of how things work, also when I said people over 60 shouldn't be allowed to vote it was meant a bit tongue in cheek but the point is if it does go bad it will happen over time not overnight. Lastly HH my spelling is fine thank you, it's my typing that's crap .

[christhegasman]

Getting a headache now Anyway need to go and do some work so the ever increasing number of lower percentage unemployed can have a new car / sky tv / free council house that us that actually give a sh*t and and get out of bed should be happy to pay for as it's our privilege to have them here and they are brilliant for the economy if you believe Cameron

[phil.d]

I know 4 people who fit the above description perfectly and they were all born in the uk, I also hate having to work to pay for there lifestyle but we can't get rid of them

[Wolfstone]

Judging by the daytime posts in this thread it seems some could do with working harder and helping boost the economy rather than browsing and posting on social media (if that is what .org is becoming).

[techieboy]

Or maybe it's because people working in the private sector are capable of multi-tasking, unlike those in the civil service.