1815 replies to this topic

[Rudy]

Well, QT was interesting. BBC must be losing grip, the audience seemed balanced 😂

[jules_s]

Scott's Back

 

So you're on the remain side of the fence then?

 

I'd bet my car if oil was $200/barrel you'd be on the other side

[WrightStuff]

Eddie Izzard, you're a prize twat.

 

I thought he was great, the Bremain camp scuttling their own ship. 

[Crunchie]

I have know idea if it would be better or worse if we leave but the simple thing for me is "how is my life now" , and I have to say it's pretty good, yes we give a lot of money to the EU but then it's a drop in the ocean compared to what the NHS and social care costs this country, and as for migration , we'll all I know is most of the dossers/scrounges /can't be arsed to work because my back hurts a bit types are uk born , so I'm not really worried about that either, so I think why do I want to rock the boat, yes the EU is corrupt but so is our government, so I think it'll have to be a stay in for me , one other thing is I don't think people over 60 should be allowed to vote as the decision won't effect them they've already made there money and are sat with a nice pention they made while we were part of the EU and now they all seem to want to leave, last bit a bit controversial I know but when I ask people about this it seems to be old leave, young stay in

It's a shame you are so ignorant of the facts. None of what you have written is wise or considered. You need to read some articles and fast....you haven't got long to educate yourself. If you can't be bothered or you're too busy then you should be ashamed. Sorry for picking on you but your post has particularly annoyed me. You are not alone, a great many people seem to be incapable of understanding the fundamentals. Most of it is down to poor education, History and politics is largely ignored at school and most people are completely ignorant of our culture, history and the concept of what's happening in the World and how it is shaped by these.

[christhegasman]

I have know idea if it would be better or worse if we leave but the simple thing for me is "how is my life now" , and I have to say it's pretty good, yes we give a lot of money to the EU but then it's a drop in the ocean compared to what the NHS and social care costs this country, and as for migration , we'll all I know is most of the dossers/scrounges /can't be arsed to work because my back hurts a bit types are uk born , so I'm not really worried about that either, so I think why do I want to rock the boat, yes the EU is corrupt but so is our government, so I think it'll have to be a stay in for me , one other thing is I don't think people over 60 should be allowed to vote as the decision won't effect them they've already made there money and are sat with a nice pention they made while we were part of the EU and now they all seem to want to leave, last bit a bit controversial I know but when I ask people about this it seems to be old leave, young stay in

It's a shame you are so ignorant of the facts. None of what you have written is wise or considered. You need to read some articles and fast....you haven't got long to educate yourself. If you can't be bothered or you're too busy then you should be ashamed. Sorry for picking on you but your post has particularly annoyed me. You are not alone, a great many people seem to be incapable of understanding the fundamentals. Most of it is down to poor education, History and politics is largely ignored at school and most people are completely ignorant of our culture, history and the concept of what's happening in the World and how it is shaped by these.

But you are taking notice if what you have read and most of that will be lies to encourage the gullible to vote in the simple truth is no one really knows what will happen whichever way the vote goes The only certainty Is we will be allowed stop pissing money into a bottomless pit for no sensible reason 😀 What will happen to finance and foreign workers is all speculation

Edited by christhegasman, 10 June 2016 - 05:30 AM.

[techieboy]

The only certainty Is we will be allowed stop pissing money into a bottomless pit for no sensible reason 😀

So what happens to the other 99% of public spending that we do control and don't send anywhere? Not like any of that gets pissed away by our governments, does it? Oh, wait a minute..... On a purely numbers basis with any of the other more emotive issues stripped out of the equation, 0.9% - 1.2% (depending, as ever, on who's numbers you take) of our total public spending going to the EU feels like reasonable value for money for the lack of barriers.

[Stevie Dubyah]

Fairly neutral myself, but isn't the point that the exit campaigners are making exactly to the contrary.... that Europe places specific barriers to certain types of trade with countries outside the member states?

 

I don't believe that most people care about the financial side of things (it's all a drop in the ocean). Most are bugged by being governed by people they cannot vote against. Historically, that always ends badly.

 

Final observation - if Brexit would cause a domino European collapse (as some seem to be saying) then one possible scenario for a leave vote would be a kind of "please stay" with more favourable terms (the terms that Cameron would have got, if he'd had the guile) being offered. I seem to know less than you folks about this whole thing, but I just can't see them letting us go without some kind of a fight. Maybe not....

 

 

[slindborg]

Should the vote be out, is the Govt "contratually" obliged to actually do it... Wasnt it the Greeks that voted out but their govt stayed?

Even then, would the EU then come back and offer some ace deal if we stayed in, and then would there be another vote?

[christhegasman]

Should the vote be out, is the Govt "contratually" obliged to actually do it... Wasnt it the Greeks that voted out but their govt stayed? Even then, would the EU then come back and offer some ace deal if we stayed in, and then would there be another vote?

Now there's a thought vote out and if it starts going tits up get lots of cash off the eu to join again 😀Win win 👍

Edited by christhegasman, 10 June 2016 - 09:41 AM.

[christhegasman]

The only certainty Is we will be allowed stop pissing money into a bottomless pit for no sensible reason 😀

So what happens to the other 99% of public spending that we do control and don't send anywhere? Not like any of that gets pissed away by our governments, does it? Oh, wait a minute..... On a purely numbers basis with any of the other more emotive issues stripped out of the equation, 0.9% - 1.2% (depending, as ever, on who's numbers you take) of our total public spending going to the EU feels like reasonable value for money for the lack of barriers.

But half the problem is we have NO barriers either way but the rest of our non exclusive club make their own rules 😡

[Harry Hornet]

I seem to know less than you folks about this whole thing, but I just can't see them letting us go without some kind of a fight. Maybe not....

 

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well said Steve

 

...and that sums up my thoughts all along...they need us more than we need need them......and if they dont come begging than we know for sure they dont give a shite about us anyway..

 

HH..OUT OUT OUT

[G-Bob]

 

I seem to know less than you folks about this whole thing

...and that sums up my thoughts...

HH..OUT OUT OUT

 

 

That sums it up  

 

 

I know of a few emails going round investment banks in the UK telling the staff that if the break happens then it will essentially not be worthwhile them having an office in the UK and they would move operations.   This is not meant to warn or sway the vote, but is to prepare the staff if it happens as they have shut up shop in countries before.

[Stevie Dubyah]

 

 

I seem to know less than you folks about this whole thing

...and that sums up my thoughts...

HH..OUT OUT OUT

 

 

That sums it up  

 

 

I know of a few emails going round investment banks in the UK telling the staff that if the break happens then it will essentially not be worthwhile them having an office in the UK and they would move operations.   This is not meant to warn or sway the vote, but is to prepare the staff if it happens as they have shut up shop in countries before.

 

 

"...not meant to sway the vote..."

 

Given that the average lifespan of a staff member in most of those honourable institutions is less than two years*, I doubt they'd notice.

 

 

* I made that statistic up, but I bet it's not far from the truth.

[techieboy]

I doubt they'd notice.

 

 

Normally, that may be the case. But I bet they would, if they couldn't walk to the next door investment bank / fund management company and get another job as they've all fcuked off to Frankfurt. 

[Tony H]

Should the vote be out, is the Govt "contratually" obliged to actually do it... Wasnt it the Greeks that voted out but their govt stayed?

Even then, would the EU then come back and offer some ace deal if we stayed in, and then would there be another vote?

 

The government is not legally bound to act on the result of a referendum.

 

But of course it would be suicidal for any politician to ignore the result.

 

A vote to leave would be an instruction to the government to leave the EU. It would be up to the government to execute that how they see fit.

 

It is important to remember the question on the ballot paper is leave or remain in the EU.

 

Not on the ballot:

 single market

 immigration

 the government

 Vote Leave campaign

 

The house of commons is 75% remain.

Lords even more remain.

Tories have majority of 12, cant do sh*t.

 

You don't need any great political insight to suss that the initial settlement with the EU will retain heavy amount of integration.

 

This will be EEA / EFTA option (aka Norway).

 

 

 

RE: Farage... If we vote leave, he gets declared a cat B and scrapped for parts. If we vote remain, he gets a harrop bolted on.

[slindborg]

A few of the things I've read contradict on the single market and the rest... whom does one believe?

 

I'm sure being in the common market costs money, is that included in the EU daily/weekly costs touted about or seperate?

Edited by slindborg, 10 June 2016 - 12:45 PM.

[MAXR]

As a percentage of our GDP, our contributions is relatively insignificant. It's like each member here having to find an extra £5 every month for a regular monthly bill (insignificant!) 

 

Why wouldn't we want a top seat at the world's biggest market? What happens if we leave the EU, it may cause fractures the EU, which would be detrimental to our growth. We are now the 2nd biggest economy after Germany in the EU & still growing the fastest.

[Harry Hornet]

As a percentage of our GDP, our contributions is relatively insignificant. It's like each member here having to find an extra £5 every month for a regular monthly bill (insignificant!) 

 

Why wouldn't we want a top seat at the world's biggest market? What happens if we leave the EU, it may cause fractures the EU, which would be detrimental to our growth. We are now the 2nd biggest economy after Germany in the EU & still growing the fastest.

 

Max

 

Take me as an imbecile, most people do .....whats stops our growth if we were outside the EU...if our products are good enough they will still be wanted..

 

HH

[christhegasman]

As a percentage of our GDP, our contributions is relatively insignificant. It's like each member here having to find an extra £5 every month for a regular monthly bill (insignificant!)    Why wouldn't we want a top seat at the world's biggest market? What happens if we leave the EU, it may cause fractures the EU, which would be detrimental to our growth. We are now the 2nd biggest economy after Germany in the EU & still growing the fastest.

  Max   Take me as an imbecile, most people do .....whats stops our growth if we were outside the EU...if our products are good enough they will still be wanted..   HH

👍🏻😀 maybe the stuff we manufacture and the services we provide will be crap if we opt out ? 😊

Edited by christhegasman, 10 June 2016 - 02:22 PM.

[Tony H]

Why wouldn't we want a top seat at the world's biggest market? What happens if we leave the EU, it may cause fractures the EU, which would be detrimental to our growth. We are now the 2nd biggest economy after Germany in the EU & still growing the fastest.

 

Most trade rules are agreed by global bodies now, such as the WTO.

 

The member nations then agree to implement the laws in their own jurisdictions.

 

The EU currently represent us in these orgs. 90% of the single market legislation are the EUs take of these global rules.

 

So even if we left the single market we would still have to have a lot of these regulations. Including the ones on bent bananas!

 

There would not be a bonfire of regulations as such.

 

But crucially, the interpretation of these laws would be down to our own courts under our English legal tradition. Not the napoleonic European courts.

 

And we would represent ourselves in these increasingly influential organizations.

 

 

EU is internally free trade, but protectionist with regards to the rest of the world.

 

 

 

If we leave the EU, I reckon most likely the non-euro states will either have to follow us or join the eurozone.

 

This will be good for europe.

 

Heel-dragging non-euro states like UK are holding eurozone back.