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[MAXR]

Max,

 

I don't think anyone would disagree that in the short or possibly medium term a Brexit may well have a detrimental impact on the economy.

To what extent we don't know.

But we will recover and we will move forward and find our own way. Our country seemed to do pretty well for generations before the EU came along and will again.

 

There are bigger things at stake here than a temporary economic downturn. I value our sovereignty, control of our own borders and how will that affect our culture and communities in the future a hell of a lot more than that.

We should take any short term pain on the chin, cut our losses and move on.

 

The EU started out with noble ideals as a free trading region and has manifested into something we did not sign up for.

 

 

 

 

 

We are growing faster than any of the G7 members now. We have now overtaken France as the second biggest economy in europe. You mention it may be detrimental in the short & medium term. That is 10-40 years! How old will you be in 30 years time? You have already accepted that it will be detrimental...Why should we have to accept going backwards for decades to come?

 

We will have to have trade agreements with our trading partners anyway, that will take time. The pound will lose value, it has already due to concerns of us leaving. It will cost you, your family & everyone in this country more to live & buy goods from abroad as we import far more than we export. We are a mainly serviced based nation. We have clever sort after people who draw investment from foreign companies, because we have a strong work ethic & education system. 

 

I genuinely am proud of this country & it's past. We led the world in EVERY area, bar none. Unfortunately, that period has come & gone. We may be great again, certainly not to the same degree. I honestly believe that in the future joint foreign business ventures & integration with other markets & countries will be essential in dealing with major problem we will face in the future. We must be leading at the table, far more than we are now, in order to do that we need to be at the table in the first place. Our biggest trading partner(S) has made it clear that it is in their interest too to have the UK within the EU.

 

NONE of the Brexit lot can tell you what will actually happen if we leave....NONE! (they just don't know). Why on earth would you take that chance & hope it will be alright eventually? or that it okay to struggle for years to come? I'm only on this planet once! I don't want to also struggle & to inhibit growth until I'm an OLD man. Some say I am an old man already! We will alienate ourselves from our trading partners & POsSIBLY cause the EU to implode & lose strength, which is exactly what we need to deal with developing economies like India, Korea & to strongly & robustly deal with threats from the likes of Russia, N Korea & IS.

 

Really, what do you think the UK will achieve that will offset this if we go it alone. Pray tell us, what you think will happen if we leave? I'm genuinely interested in what & how you think we will prosper. I will agree, that if we exit, any UK government will no doubt have to dynamically deal with the situation we find ourselves in. In every economic sector I can think about, there will be barriers to deal with, which aren't there now.

[christhegasman]

Max,   I don't think anyone would disagree that in the short or possibly medium term a Brexit may well have a detrimental impact on the economy. To what extent we don't know. But we will recover and we will move forward and find our own way. Our country seemed to do pretty well for generations before the EU came along and will again.   There are bigger things at stake here than a temporary economic downturn. I value our sovereignty, control of our own borders and how will that affect our culture and communities in the future a hell of a lot more than that. We should take any short term pain on the chin, cut our losses and move on.   The EU started out with noble ideals as a free trading region and has manifested into something we did not sign up for.        

  We are growing faster than any of the G7 members now. We have now overtaken France as the second biggest economy in europe. You mention it may be detrimental in the short & medium term. That is 10-40 years! How old will you be in 30 years time? You have already accepted that it will be detrimental...Why should we have to accept going backwards for decades to come?   We will have to have trade agreements with our trading partners anyway, that will take time. The pound will lose value, it has already due to concerns of us leaving. It will cost you, your family & everyone in this country more to live & buy goods from abroad as we import far more than we export. We are a mainly serviced based nation. We have clever sort after people who draw investment from foreign companies, because we have a strong work ethic & education system.    I genuinely am proud of this country & it's past. We led the world in EVERY area, bar none. Unfortunately, that period has come & gone. We may be great again, certainly not to the same degree. I honestly believe that in the future joint foreign business ventures & integration with other markets & countries will be essential in dealing with major problem we will face in the future. We must be leading at the table, far more than we are now, in order to do that we need to be at the table in the first place. Our biggest trading partner(S) has made it clear that it is in their interest too to have the UK within the EU.   NONE of the Brexit lot can tell you what will actually happen if we leave....NONE! (they just don't know). Why on earth would you take that chance & hope it will be alright eventually? or that it okay to struggle for years to come? I'm only on this planet once! I don't want to also struggle & to inhibit growth until I'm an OLD man. Some say I am an old man already! We will alienate ourselves from our trading partners & POsSIBLY cause the EU to implode & lose strength, which is exactly what we need to deal with developing economies like India, Korea & to strongly & robustly deal with threats from the likes of Russia, N Korea & IS.   Really, what do you think the UK will achieve that will offset this if we go it alone. Pray tell us, what you think will happen if we leave? I'm genuinely interested in what & how you think we will prosper. I will agree, that if we exit, any UK government will no doubt have to dynamically deal with the situation we find ourselves in. In every economic sector I can think about, there will be barriers to deal with, which aren't there now.

As I said who knows what things will be like if we leave or stay in But what will be left here for any further generations if we stay in ? No room in schools no houses no doctors appointments no nhs. We are full up and need to take back control while we can If we can do that as part of the EU fine but they won't let us and that is the whole point

Edited by christhegasman, 12 June 2016 - 09:38 AM.

[Harry Hornet]

I've been thinking I think the UK government are shiting themselves as they have no idea what to do if the leave campaign wins Cameron needs a plan b and a pretty damped good one as well

[KurtVerbose]

I've been thinking I think the UK government are shiting themselves as they have no idea what to do if the leave campaign wins Cameron needs a plan b and a pretty damped good one as well

 

Cameron would likely quit if he looses - as he should do. There will then be an almighty mess.

[Madmitch]

He has already said he doesn't want to do another term so I guess it doesn't make a lot of difference to him.  Don't worry though, Jeremy Corbyn is waiting in the wings to save us, and over the pond Dangerous Donald - oh dear o dear o dear, doesn't bear thinking about...................

[christhegasman]

The FACT is, 90% of economists, analysts, experts, global businesses & all the major parties, bank of England & leaders around the world think that if the UK exit it will be detrimental to the world market, the UK & it's people for many years to come.   Tell me why they are all wrong? Surely common sense can see that on balance they can't ALL be wrong. Everyone's lives in this country is likely to change for the worse, even if it is for several years. Why take the chance, you may be old people before we get back on our feet again. Leaving will reignite the scottish leaving referendum issue, they strongly want to remain in the EU. If they leave it will affect the UK's credit rating & clout around the world.    Yes, I agree that we should step up patrols in the English channel & invest more in france's defences to sure up their borders with us. We should remove people staying illegally & deport people who have overstayed their welcome in our country & certainly do it MUCH quicker. SOME immigrants are aware of what they will be given in the UK for nought, they know that we have a good living wage/ minimum wage. Most just want to work & contribute to our booming economy.   I would also like to see a point system like Australia, so that we only get people we need from the EU & their families. However, this is a complete no no & is unlikely to be agreed by the EU members. But, we can keep making it more uninviting to immigrants by restricting handouts. The only way to do that is to make it law for UK residents too. I don't think that's a bad thing either! Perhaps saying you must go for 6 months before getting any financial assistance if unemployed, same goes for housing.   The NHS is full of dead wood & is run poorly. It really needs a ground up rethink & that will be very expensive. My wife is a nurse, so was my mum. 50% of her nurse friends have now left the NHS due to poor wages, red tape & out of date working practices. The NHS paid for my wife to get a degree, just like most of her fellow nurses. This now benefits the private sector. At £12-15 P/H why would you bother staying? The NHS lose good staff & then what do they do? Replace them with agency staff on a long term basis at twice the rate... Young doctors are expected to do up to 90 hours per week on what I consider, low wages...Sorry, Over!   Anyway, as I have said several times the money we INVEST in the EU is pittance in comparison to our GDP is less than 0.5%. Now, if you had to find an additional 0.5% of your income on a yearly basis, would you consider that outrageous or will it break your bank? Work it out for yourself, you will be surprised! Are these the same brilliant economists who have so far failed to see any financial crash coming ? Can't remember them warning us of the 2008 crash or any other for that so I will take anything these say as possibly wrong or certainly looking to their own ends        

[christhegasman]

The FACT is, 90% of economists, analysts, experts, global businesses & all the major parties, bank of England & leaders around the world think that if the UK exit it will be detrimental to the world market, the UK & it's people for many years to come.   Tell me why they are all wrong? Surely common sense can see that on balance they can't ALL be wrong. Everyone's lives in this country is likely to change for the worse, even if it is for several years. Why take the chance, you may be old people before we get back on our feet again. Leaving will reignite the scottish leaving referendum issue, they strongly want to remain in the EU. If they leave it will affect the UK's credit rating & clout around the world.    Yes, I agree that we should step up patrols in the English channel & invest more in france's defences to sure up their borders with us. We should remove people staying illegally & deport people who have overstayed their welcome in our country & certainly do it MUCH quicker. SOME immigrants are aware of what they will be given in the UK for nought, they know that we have a good living wage/ minimum wage. Most just want to work & contribute to our booming economy.   I would also like to see a point system like Australia, so that we only get people we need from the EU & their families. However, this is a complete no no & is unlikely to be agreed by the EU members. But, we can keep making it more uninviting to immigrants by restricting handouts. The only way to do that is to make it law for UK residents too. I don't think that's a bad thing either! Perhaps saying you must go for 6 months before getting any financial assistance if unemployed, same goes for housing.   The NHS is full of dead wood & is run poorly. It really needs a ground up rethink & that will be very expensive. My wife is a nurse, so was my mum. 50% of her nurse friends have now left the NHS due to poor wages, red tape & out of date working practices. The NHS paid for my wife to get a degree, just like most of her fellow nurses. This now benefits the private sector. At £12-15 P/H why would you bother staying? The NHS lose good staff & then what do they do? Replace them with agency staff on a long term basis at twice the rate... Young doctors are expected to do up to 90 hours per week on what I consider, low wages...Sorry, Over!   Anyway, as I have said several times the money we INVEST in the EU is pittance in comparison to our GDP is less than 0.5%. Now, if you had to find an additional 0.5% of your income on a yearly basis, would you consider that outrageous or will it break your bank? Work it out for yourself, you will be surprised!        

Are these the same brilliant economists who have so far failed to see any financial crash coming ? Can't remember them warning us of the 2008 crash or any other for that so I will take anything these say as possibly wrong or certainly looking to their own ends

[MAXR]

Yeah, you're right!

 

...Anyway, It's best to vote with your heart & mind & If you really believe the Brexit lot, then you should vote accordingly.

 

CLEARLY, the brexit experts seem to have a particularly good crystal ball & we should believe them. Dammit, the stay lot should have also of bought their crystal ball from the pound shop. 

 

 

[christhegasman]

Yeah, you're right!   ...Anyway, It's best to vote with your heart & mind & If you really believe the Brexit lot, then you should vote accordingly.   CLEARLY, the brexit experts seem to have a particularly good crystal ball & we should believe them. Dammit, the stay lot should have also of bought their crystal ball from the pound shop.     

. They did 😀 Let's be honest all the scaremongering and predictions from both sides are just guess work and no one knows how things will be either way If we stay in we might regret voting that way If we leave we could also regret it 😡 The only thing we do know is that lying scumbag Cameron has to go whatever the result

Edited by christhegasman, 13 June 2016 - 08:47 AM.

[Madmitch]

Or you could put it this way.  We know what it's like in so will it be better or worse out?  I think we have agreed already that if we vote out it is going to be worse for the next 10-40 years.

 

Personally I think that this referendum is a stupid idea but, like Cameron or not, I think you have to give him credit for offering it. 

 

All politicians are lying scumbags!  

[Tony H]

Remain proper bricking it at the moment.

 

It is really amusing after watching them punch down at the electorate for months.

Edited by Tony H, 13 June 2016 - 04:36 PM.

[christhegasman]

Or you could put it this way.  We know what it's like in so will it be better or worse out?  I think we have agreed already that if we vote out it is going to be worse for the next 10-40 years.   Personally I think that this referendum is a stupid idea but, like Cameron or not, I think you have to give him credit for offering it.    All politicians are lying scumbags!  

Not sure about the 10/40 years think you made that up 😀Are you David Cameron ? And are you saying we know in is sh*t but we should stay because we are not sure if out will be more or less crap 😃

[Ormes]

Or you could put it this way.  We know what it's like in so will it be better or worse out?  I think we have agreed already that if we vote out it is going to be worse for the next 10-40 years.   Personally I think that this referendum is a stupid idea but, like Cameron or not, I think you have to give him credit for offering it.    All politicians are lying scumbags!

Not sure about the 10/40 years think you made that up 😀Are you David Cameron ? And are you saying we know in is sh*t but we should stay because we are not sure if out will be more or less crap 😃

Just how do we know what it will be like if we stay in...? Very little influence + socialism on a huge scale + readily inviting a bunch of basket case countries to join the EU = certainty does it? "Oh yes but we'll use our veto if <enter country name here> try to join" ...just like we did with Greece, Latvia, Romania etc.

[Harry Hornet]

Half full or half empty Risk taker...or thumb up ones bottom You only live once so we are aware.... ..go on dive in the deep end and realise ..yes you can swim..and live for another day

[Madmitch]

Just like that if we stay in or just like that with even less money than now if we leave.   

[Harry Hornet]

Just like that if we stay in or just like that with even less money than now if we leave.   

What's money...when you gave your health and sanity..😄

[christhegasman]

Just like that if we stay in or just like that with even less money than now if we leave.   

What do you mean we ? You don't even live in the uk 😀and again how can you say with less money if we leave ? You do not know and neither does anyone else it's either stand up to your neck in sh*t waiting for it to get deeper or get out the sh*t 😀

Edited by christhegasman, 13 June 2016 - 06:24 PM.

[Bargi]

I reckon stay in. But I'm an immigrant so what would I know I'm not sure if lots of people want out or the people who want in hold back from smoothering their cars and houses with posters of their choice Sent from my cuntyfuckbollock phone by Twatatalk

[Madmitch]

 

Just like that if we stay in or just like that with even less money than now if we leave.   

What do you mean we ? You don't even live in the uk 😀and again how can you say with less money if we leave ? You do not know and neither does anyone else it's either stand up to your neck in sh*t waiting for it to get deeper or get out the sh*t 😀

 

I don't understand why you are so obsessed with the fact that I have retired to somewhere else in the EU.  What we are supposed to be debating is what will be best for the UK.  Constantly slagging off those who live somewhere you don't approve of does nothing to raise the quality of the debate.

[christhegasman]

 

Just like that if we stay in or just like that with even less money than now if we leave.   

What do you mean we ? You don't even live in the uk 😀and again how can you say with less money if we leave ? You do not know and neither does anyone else it's either stand up to your neck in sh*t waiting for it to get deeper or get out the sh*t 😀  

I don't understand why you are so obsessed with the fact that I have retired to somewhere else in the EU.  What we are supposed to be debating is what will be best for the UK.  Constantly slagging off those who live somewhere you don't approve of does nothing to raise the quality of the debate.

never said I don't approve of your choice I may decide on a similar course one day but that does not change the way I feel now, this country is in a mess and one option is to take control again and stop being ordered to toe the line by Brussels I don't want to fall out and am not slagging you off but you can't use We which Implies you are here in the uk as you are not over here you can not fully appreciate the position we find ourselves in or understand it. I am actually old enough to not really give a toss except my state pension age keeps going up which I am sure they would never get away with in France for example. I am in the out camp for the sake of my kids and their kids with a hope that if we take control we might still have houses doctors ,schools nhs etc ,everything I have paid to support for over 40 years

Edited by christhegasman, 13 June 2016 - 08:12 PM.