My last word on this.
We are a nation composed of invaders and refugees, the Anglo-Saxons, the Jutes, the Vikings, the Normans, the Jews, the Hugenots, the list is endless. They have been coming to our shores for centuries and we have never found it difficult to absorb them. Their skills and cultures have enriched ours and added to our intelligence, mongrels are always the brightest dogs! We have always been outward looking and we are not overcrowded, if you want to see overcrowding go to India
Response = Dont disagree about being abunch of mongrels, you only have to go a VX National, but seriously and I think this is where your 15 (I think) years away from the UK hasnt hit home....but also we export through migration alot of great people, due to "over crowding" we have to import skills especially in NHS just to provide a service.
A journey from N Herts to Guildford or Maidstone or Reading 15 years ago use to take no longer than 80 minutes any time of day...now during rush hours is at least 3 hours..4 on a Friday
Ask IanRM from this parish, he has taken a mortgage for his part of the M25
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We are a trading nation and have always been such. In times past we became the richest nation on the planet, the most powerful too and all off the back of trade. Today we still rely on trade although the nature of that trade has changed, we can no longer send a gunboat to force our exports on an unwilling market, we have to trade by treaty and agreement and most of those have been put in place since we joined the EU. It is utterly absurd to imagine we can leave and then just carry on as before. Our nearest and biggest market will be well and truly p***** off with us and not in any mood to have much to do with us again, they will also be working their socks off to take all the trade that we will no longer be able to transact by virtue of the trade barriers now erected against outsiders, as we would then be. Don't imagine the Americans will help either, I'm old enough to remember that after WWll we ended up paying our debts by giving them companies like du Pont, allowing them to make the $ the principal currency instead of the £, we gave them the all flying tailplane and early jet engines and plans for the Miles supersonic research aircraft which became the Bell X1, oh yes, the Yanks will be in there too looking to help themselves.
Response = And we were a great trading country before the EU, not because of the EU., we havent become any "better". Our debt has grown since weve been in the EU, partly bexcause of poor successive governments but also becuase the EU sees it is thir duty to keep "pooer" economies afloat so they can "steal" their economies and industries.We use to own many of our companies as well. We use to be able to dictate were the govenment helped out industries..e.g. Steel when now the EU tells us not to.
Im not as old as you but I voted in to the Common Market, this ideal no longer exists, it s now no longer about trade and open borders..its much much more..we shouldnt sell our sovriegntyW
Why should every EU country be told to import 20% foodstuffs when they can be self suffcient..wtf..
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Instead of running away from this latest challenge and turning inwards and away from the world we should be standing up and dealing with it, fixing what is wrong, leading by example, doing the things we have always done best. Honestly, I have read so much sad negativity on this thread, so much blaming everyone else, it's incredible!
Response = we have had our chance to stand up to the EU over the last 2 years when we know this referendum was going to take place, has any thing altered?...please do tell.
We can lead by example, doing what we do best and taking your WW2 as an example when every one else ran or didnt standup we "were on the beaches"...Do the same ylu get the same...try something else it "may " just work
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I hope we vote to stay in tomorrow, that will be a statement to the world that we are players, that we believe in ourselves, a vote to leave will be a vote to pull the door shut and to hoist the white flag. The End.
Response = Some tortology in your words here me thinks, if I swapped around your words "stay and leave" it has exactly the same meaning...
Much easier to absorb invaders, when they're pointing a spear/sword/gun at you and you didn't have a choice. Easier still when the population density was only 1 man per square mile. Ballcocks, I mis-voted. 
