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[slindborg]

-Dab-of-Oppo-, on 25 Jun 2016 - 6:42 PM, said:

But that was the figure in all the propaganda mail-shots so it has to be true right?

Even if it was, it's technically borrowed money anyway

[oakmere]

Yes I am moaning about the vote it's a country of free speech and I can moan about it for as long as I want. The people who wanted out of the EU have been complaining about it since we voted in. So I don't think a few days is such bad form? People who realised that we would be affected financially but were willing to take the hit for more apparent control fine but the amount of people saying "I didn't think we would actually come out I think I might have done the wrong thing" is really pissing me off.

[ianrm]

LY_Scott, on 25 Jun 2016 - 5:41 PM, said:

 

ianrm, on 25 Jun 2016 - 5:14 PM, said:

We are now saving £350 million pounds a week.

Really?really even at this point people believe that figure? Never mind the drop in the value if the pound and the billions wiped off the stock market in a day. And it's only day 2.

 

 

 

Has some one lied to us then?

[PaulCP]

ianrm, on 25 Jun 2016 - 7:41 PM, said:

LY_Scott, on 25 Jun 2016 - 5:41 PM, said:

 

ianrm, on 25 Jun 2016 - 5:14 PM, said:

We are now saving £350 million pounds a week.

Really?really even at this point people believe that figure? Never mind the drop in the value if the pound and the billions wiped off the stock market in a day. And it's only day 2.  

    Has some one lied to us then?

If misleading statements constitute lies then yes. The same with the immigration agenda

[Captain Vimes]

A sensible, educated, business view of life after Brexit: http://www.telegraph...l-make-us-rich/

[JG]

Captain Vimes, on 25 Jun 2016 - 9:07 PM, said:

A sensible, educated, business view of life after Brexit: http://www.telegraph...l-make-us-rich/

 

Sensible? Not sure.   

It's very pro brexit. And some of the off hand assumptions may take rather more effort than he makes out.  Non the less,  quite a good read. 

[techieboy]

Apparently, that article will only make the Telegraph richer, as it's behind their paywall.

[Madmitch]

Zoobeef, on 25 Jun 2016 - 10:25 AM, said:

 

Madmitch, on 25 Jun 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Out votes were 17,410,742 and in votes were 16,141,241, a difference of 1,269,501.  Any petition running to more than 100,00 has to be put to Parliament for consideration, this petition only started after the referendum and is already over 1,010, 000 and going up incredibly fast.  With respect, it is not meaningless, if Parliament says yes to another Referendum in the debate which it now has to have, and enough vote to stay then that will stand, that is the democratic process.

 

Ahh, so you like democracy? But only if it suits?

And if in just gets it and the out lot do a petition with a million signatures, do we have another? Or if out just pip it again will the in lot do another until they win and then put a halt on democracy.

 

Do you realise how stupid you sound. 

 

 

I do like democracy, both the Referendum and the Petition (now approaching 3,000,000 by the way) are part of that democratic process.  Neither are binding and both will need to be debated in Parliament.  Only after that will they move on to decisions which may or may not lead to triggering Article 50.  That is when the Fat Lady Sings and when I will shut up.  We are all entitled to speak freely, within reason, resorting to personal insults does nothing to advance your argument.   

Edited by Madmitch, 26 June 2016 - 06:21 AM.

[NickB787]

The Majority have spoken, regardless of any pettition, Parliment will ratify the decision of the majority and the U.K. Will be out That's it bye

[Zoobeef]

Madmitch, on 26 Jun 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

 

Zoobeef, on 25 Jun 2016 - 10:25 AM, said:

 

Madmitch, on 25 Jun 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Out votes were 17,410,742 and in votes were 16,141,241, a difference of 1,269,501.  Any petition running to more than 100,00 has to be put to Parliament for consideration, this petition only started after the referendum and is already over 1,010, 000 and going up incredibly fast.  With respect, it is not meaningless, if Parliament says yes to another Referendum in the debate which it now has to have, and enough vote to stay then that will stand, that is the democratic process.

 

Ahh, so you like democracy? But only if it suits?

And if in just gets it and the out lot do a petition with a million signatures, do we have another? Or if out just pip it again will the in lot do another until they win and then put a halt on democracy.

 

Do you realise how stupid you sound. 

 

 

I do like democracy, both the Referendum and the Petition (now approaching 3,000,000 by the way) are part of that democratic process.  Neither are binding and both will need to be debated in Parliament.  Only after that will they move on to decisions which may or may not lead to triggering Article 50.  That is when the Fat Lady Sings and when I will shut up.  We are all entitled to speak freely, within reason, resorting to personal insults does nothing to advance your argument.   

 

 

So far only 3 million people of the 16 miliion people that lost think they can ask for another go when the first one didn't go their way. Hopefully that's pointing to a majority that aren't stupid. Although you think that democracy doesn't work with majorities,  just who ever shouts the loudest.

[Mangham54]

My nerves are still there, but some of the points raised there are how I felt at 11am on Friday morning. We are at a cross-roads, but the outcome will not be decided by the vote. How we respond will be make or break. And pro-Europeans can, if they are willing, make the EU a better more balanced place. My current analogy is this is like being pregnant: *30mins of debate as to whether it will happen *1min of relentless thrusting *20mins of realising you weren't wearing a johnny *9 months of fear and hope *a few hours of real pain *2 days of gloating that we have survived it *2yrs of sleepless nights and general fear/frustration and sheer joy. *a constant worry going forwards that they are mixing with the wrong crowd.

[phippsy]

The eu has a long proud history of ignoring referendum results. Watching the news and there are a bunch of idiots protesting outside parliament pouring fake blood all over themselves. What the fcuk

[techieboy]

NickB787, on 26 Jun 2016 - 06:46 AM, said:

The Majority have spoken

Well, not entirely, 63% of the electorate didn't vote for Brexit.

[christhegasman]

techieboy, on 26 Jun 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

NickB787, on 26 Jun 2016 - 06:46 AM, said:

The Majority have spoken

Well, not entirely, 63% of the electorate didn't vote for Brexit.

And there lies a problem ? I was on the side to leave but am not comfortable with such a small majority and really thought in was always going to win it 😀 but what next ?

[techieboy]

christhegasman, on 26 Jun 2016 - 08:34 AM, said:

but what next ?

Indeed.

[christhegasman]

techieboy, on 26 Jun 2016 - 08:35 AM, said:

christhegasman, on 26 Jun 2016 - 08:34 AM, said:

but what next ?

Indeed.

Maybe a referendum on if we should accept the result of the referendum. Best of 5 anyone 😀

[phippsy]

If people can't be arsed to go to the polling station then tough luck. A majority of the votes cast is a majority whether you agree with it or not. Let's watch the establishment use every dirty trick in the book now to undermine the will of the majority. And I have to say that a 75 percent turn out in the UK is huge.

[NickB787]

There was a post some time ago about non democratic Australia forcing all the eligible voters to vote, lived there done that, it does work actually, if the uk had had that system things may have gone differently, however we don't and only those who bothered to vote had their say, you can't come back later and say, I wish I had voted.

[fiveoclock]

NickB787, on 26 Jun 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

There was a post some time ago about non democratic Australia forcing all the eligible voters to vote, lived there done that, it does work actually, if the uk had had that system things may have gone differently, however we don't and only those who bothered to vote had their say, you can't come back later and say, I wish I had voted.

This and too many whining kids saying "the old people stitched us up". You're own age group stitched you up, only 36% could be bothered to vote.

[techieboy]

phippsy, on 26 Jun 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

If people can't be arsed to go to the polling station then tough luck.

Agreed. And tough sh!t to the fcuktwits that voted Leave as they thought it was a protest against a Conservative government, their Banker buddies or austerity and didn't think Leave would win. Or the knobs that voted Leave as they were scared of the African's and Muslim's from Iraq/Afghanistan coming and wanted to stop free movement of people in the EU as the cure (though they still haven't worked out how clever that wasn't).

 

On a more personal note, I'm still gutted the flight of Spitfires dropping buttered crumpets didn't get as far as Bedford on Friday morning. Guess £350m doesn't buy as much fuel as it used to or maybe the bakery couldn't cope with the sudden demand and we'll be included in next weeks £350m. Or maybe they already spent it on a new hospital. Definitely looking forward to the sunny weekends sipping tea and eating scones, sat around the village green listening to the sound of leather on willow, whilst surrounded by Union Jack bunting and people doffing their caps to each other in the street, like the good old days. Really hoping the AA will start issuing proper badges again so we can put them on the MGA's we'll all be driving again.

 

Still, at least there's no hurry to trigger Article 50 and we can relax for as long as we want.....