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[Madmitch]

Right, so all the bigwigs are saying there won't be a second vote, the petition seems to have been fiddled, the Germans and Dutch are sounding helpful, the FTSE and the £ have inched up although still a long way down from a week ago, the sun is shining, time to hoist the white flag and go with the result of the Referendum.  What bothers me most right now is who will follow Cameron, BJ has done two major U turns on the TTIP and never voting to leave the EU, Michael Gove, Teresa May, Jeremy Hunt?  I don't see anyone who fills me with confidence given the next few years will require someone with real negotiating ability. 

Edited by Madmitch, 28 June 2016 - 08:02 AM.

[Mr Apex]

I hope that it is someone who will take an objective look at what happened, ignore the scruffy tabloids and look in detail at the reasons why people are so concerned about the EU. It's like marriage - we've been together a long time and the little niggling things have become major issues. Harsh words have been said and divorce has been mentioned. Time for counselling, open discussion, apologies, change and a serious attempt to make a go of it. What we don't want is entrenched positions and a fight over who gets the cat.

[oakmere]

I hope that it is someone who will take an objective look at what happened, ignore the scruffy tabloids and look in detail at the reasons why people are so concerned about the EU. It's like marriage - we've been together a long time and the little niggling things have become major issues. Harsh words have been said and divorce has been mentioned. Time for counselling, open discussion, apologies, change and a serious attempt to make a go of it. What we don't want is entrenched positions and a fight over who gets the cat.

This is the EU we are talking about fat chance.

[phippsy]

I hope that it is someone who will take an objective look at what happened, ignore the scruffy tabloids and look in detail at the reasons why people are so concerned about the EU. It's like marriage - we've been together a long time and the little niggling things have become major issues. Harsh words have been said and divorce has been mentioned. Time for counselling, open discussion, apologies, change and a serious attempt to make a go of it. What we don't want is entrenched positions and a fight over who gets the cat.

I disagree, it's time for the separation. Give democracy a chance. Respect the British vote.

[christhegasman]

Right, so all the bigwigs are saying there won't be a second vote, the petition seems to have been fiddled, the Germans and Dutch are sounding helpful, the FTSE and the £ have inched up although still a long way down from a week ago, the sun is shining, time to hoist the white flag and go with the result of the Referendum.  What bothers me most right now is who will follow Cameron, BJ has done two major U turns on the TTIP and never voting to leave the EU, Michael Gove, Teresa May, Jeremy Hunt?  I don't see anyone who fills me with confidence given the next few years will require someone with real negotiating ability. 

And we agree again Mitch I think the whole thing is becoming a farce where yet again we have been lied to by politicians from both side ? These are the same politicians that have been unable get the best for the U.K. Throughout decades in the eu shame Cameron fell on the sword although I don't like him much he might have been the best of a bad bunch now everyone else has gone back under their stones we are up sh*t street

Edited by christhegasman, 28 June 2016 - 09:48 AM.

[Madmitch]

 

Right, so all the bigwigs are saying there won't be a second vote, the petition seems to have been fiddled, the Germans and Dutch are sounding helpful, the FTSE and the £ have inched up although still a long way down from a week ago, the sun is shining, time to hoist the white flag and go with the result of the Referendum.  What bothers me most right now is who will follow Cameron, BJ has done two major U turns on the TTIP and never voting to leave the EU, Michael Gove, Teresa May, Jeremy Hunt?  I don't see anyone who fills me with confidence given the next few years will require someone with real negotiating ability. 

And we agree again Mitch I think the whole thing is becoming a farce where yet again we have been lied to by politicians from both side ? These are the same politicians that have been unable get the best for the U.K. Throughout decades in the eu shame Cameron fell on the sword although I don't like him much he might have been the best of a bad bunch now everyone else has gone back under their stones we are up sh*t street

 

 

We do agree again Chris.  Sadly I think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head.  I sort of feel that if all the cards fell right for us in the negotiations, the Dutch and the Germans were helpful, the economy continues to improve although that seems more problematical now, the EU embraces reform etc etc then we could actually do well out of this.  However, I watched Junker's speech this morning and he seemed like a very angry man more interested in defending himself than addressing the real problems even though these had been highlighted by a very articulate Dutch lady not five minutes before.

Edited by Madmitch, 28 June 2016 - 10:13 AM.

[phippsy]

The eu have made it crystal clear. There is no room for negotiations. There will never be a treaty change. The rules are set in stone and anyone that doesn't like it, tough luck. There's absolutely no appetite for reform from within the eu leadership.

[techieboy]

There's just no way the bitter technocrats that run the EU and still dream of closer integration are going to cut us a deal. There going to make it as painful, complex and awkward as they possibly can and have even put a Belgian ( ) in charge of their Brexit team. We'd be fine if it was just down to the Germans (especially if it was somebody from a German business background) to strike the deal, they were always our closest allies in the EU, but the fact is, whilst they might be a powerful voice, there's 26 other countries that have to stick their oar in and the qualified majority voting to get through. Still, it wasn't like we didn't know all of that before the vote.

 

If I were Cameron, I'd gut a sudden but temporary debilitating illness and not go anywhere near the EU in the next few months. If he does go, he might be well served by wearing a gag as it looks like they'll even try to take mention of Brexit as a trigger for Article 50.

[phippsy]

There's just no way the bitter technocrats that run the EU and still dream of closer integration are going to cut us a deal. There going to make it as painful, complex and awkward as they possibly can and have even put a Belgian ( ) in charge of their Brexit team. We'd be fine if it was just down to the Germans (especially if it was somebody from a German business background) to strike the deal, they were always our closest allies in the EU, but the fact is, whilst they might be a powerful voice, there's 26 other countries that have to stick their oar in and the qualified majority voting to get through. Still, it wasn't like we didn't know all of that before the vote.   If I were Cameron, I'd gut a sudden but temporary debilitating illness and not go anywhere near the EU in the next few months. If he does go, he might be well served by wearing a gag as it looks like they'll even try to take mention of Brexit as a trigger for Article 50.

If they're really that desperate to cut their own throats then so be it. We have the other 87% of the world to begin trade talks with now. Deals that can be shaped on our own terms and not a compromise between 27 other squabbling nations all looking out for their own interests.

[smiley]

Farage gets boehed in eu atm. cant see video from work.

[Rosssco]

Liam Fox for PM.

 

Tom Watson for Leader of the Opposition.

[techieboy]

Farage gets boehed in eu atm.
cant see video from work.

 

I heard part of a speech he was making when I was in the car a few minutes ago. He still can't resist being a twat. Just got to pray to God he's not going to be on the negotiating team. We'll all be fcuked for sure then.

[smiley]

The movie.

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[techieboy]

Tom Watson for Leader of the Opposition.

 

He comes across as quite reasonable and likeable, for an ex-union man.

[techieboy]

If they're really that desperate to cut their own throats then so be it. We have the other 87% of the world to begin trade talks with now. Deals that can be shaped on our own terms and not a compromise between 27 other squabbling nations all looking out for their own interests.

 

 

Yeah, fcuk 'em. We don't want no stinking Mercedes/BMW/Audi's, we want Mahindra's and Perodua's. That'll learn 'em.

 

It doesn't really matter how many trade deals we sign with the rest of the world, if we don't make things that the rest of the world want to buy, at a price they want to pay (and generally only rich/developed economies can afford what we sell), we'll still run a huge trade deficit. We could and can still sell anywhere we want now and it's not like they were breaking the doors down to fill the order books - we do more trade with Luxembourg than India. It's all well and good holding up Mr JCB as a Leave poster boy (and we'll ignore the Wetherspoons nugget that is purely UK based) but his business was already world wide, if people wanted his kit over somebody elses, they bought it whatever. He's not going to see a massive uptick, just like nobody else will.

[phippsy]

 

If they're really that desperate to cut their own throats then so be it. We have the other 87% of the world to begin trade talks with now. Deals that can be shaped on our own terms and not a compromise between 27 other squabbling nations all looking out for their own interests.

 

 

Yeah, fcuk 'em. We don't want no stinking Mercedes/BMW/Audi's, we want Mahindra's and Perodua's. That'll learn 'em.

 

It doesn't really matter how many trade deals we sign with the rest of the world, if we don't make things that the rest of the world want to buy, at a price they want to pay (and generally only rich/developed economies can afford what we sell), we'll still run a huge trade deficit. We could and can still sell anywhere we want now and it's not like they were breaking the doors down to fill the order books - we do more trade with Luxembourg than India. It's all well and good holding up Mr JCB as a Leave poster boy (and we'll ignore the Wetherspoons nugget that is purely UK based) but his business was already world wide, if people wanted his kit over somebody elses, they bought it whatever. He's not going to see a massive uptick, just like nobody else will.

 

 

Yeah because that's what I said now wasn't it??? Please do not try to portray me as some simpleton because my views differ from yours. 

My point being that if they really are determined to make an example of us and in the process hurt their own people then we have little choice but to look elsewhere for our future.

Regardless of tariffs the UK is not going to stop buying from the rest of Europe anyway.  

[Mangham54]

 

Farage gets boehed in eu atm.
cant see video from work.

 

I heard part of a speech he was making when I was in the car a few minutes ago. He still can't resist being a twat. Just got to pray to God he's not going to be on the negotiating team. We'll all be fcuked for sure then.

 

 

Good god...I just watched his speech... I thought he couldn't be any more of a fecking bellend.

 

I was wrong.

 

He made two almost worthwhile points, but had to surround it with such goading remarks to undo any goodwill that existed.

[techieboy]

Yeah because that's what I said now wasn't it??? Please do not try to portray me as some simpleton because my views differ from yours. 

My point being that if they really are determined to make an example of us and in the process hurt their own people then we have little choice but to look elsewhere for our future.

Regardless of tariffs the UK is not going to stop buying from the rest of Europe anyway.  

 

 

I'm not trying to portray you as a simpleton. But using your terms, if there is going to be throat cutting and they're going to be cutting their own throats, they'll be cutting ours deeper and sooner. The power in the negotiations resides with them, not us.

 

A deal will be reached. Everyone is clear on that and it's in everyone's interests to do so. However, that deal will involve us doing the deeper bending over and will involve taking on the very things that people found so offensive that they voted out in the first place.

 

But hey, we've apparently got democracy and sovereignty back, for all the difference that makes in the real world.

[Mangham54]

 

 

 

 

But hey, we've apparently got democracy back. 

 

 

Just don't ask MartinS about his thoughts on democracy... especially around VX National weekends.

[rob999]

Having watched that six minute video on the BBC website all I can say is Good lord.

 

Give us what we want and we can still be best friends....the faces in the background said it all...