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[LY_Scott]

And who agreed to those terms Gordon? The negotiating UK government agreed to them in order to get other concessions. Which is what I meant by being thrown under the bus. http://www.thenation...-industry.19267 That's a good history of the fishing industry. British steel was killed off in the 80's and 90's. What has survived has been subject to the chinese flooding the market in very recent years but to say the EU ruined all that existed of the steel industry in 1974 until now is a massive over statement. It's 5/8 of a mile mate

[ghand]

I aggre it was killed off like my glass industry was by the bloody unions striking for more pay a every week. Don't get me going on unions 😂 They got our glass works labourers wages up to the same level as skilled tradesmen over the years. £38k a year for pressing a few buttons or driving a fork truck and then wonder why all the jobs went. But we are talking about the recent steel problem and China I think. Yes the government agreed but that doesn't help the lost fishing jobs and maybe they got out voted, bit like they have just been out voted over the latest port regulations which would have started to ruin our ports. 5/8 Mmmmm, Is that an ordinary mile or a nautical mile ? 😂😂😂😂😂

[ghand]

Somthing fishy Scot, For and against. 😂 1. OVERCENTRALIZED The Common Fisheries Policy is chronically over-centralized. Bureaucrats in Brussels are micromanaging diverse fisheries from the Arctic and the Mediterranean without understanding local issues or listening to the voices of fishermen who best know whats going on in their waters. A local, regional or national policy would introduce more flexibility enabling fishermen and authorities to better respond to changing situations. Although the CFP is centrally managed, it is implemented nationally, allowing authorities to favour their own fleets. Greenpeace last year revealed Spanish authorities turning a blind eye to abuses by the EUs biggest fishing fleet. 1. FISH DONT FOLLOW FRONTIERS Because fish dont follow frontiers, the European Union needs a common policy to manage fisheries. That protects stocks and prevents damaging competition between fishing fleets. Having the Spanish, French, British, Irish and Portuguese fleets all competing independently under national rules for declining stocks in the same Atlantic waters would lead to chaos. 2. KILLING FISHING COMMUNITIES, WITHOUT SAVING STOCKS CFP was supposed to protect fish stocks without killing fishing communities. Its failed on both counts. Despite 42 years of the CFP, three out of four of the major commercial stocks are overfished, while the EU fleet is still at least double the sustainable level. Without change, 90 percent of stocks will reach unsustainable levels within 10 years. Quota hopping within the EU enables big commercial fisheries from countries like Spain and Denmark to grab the others stocks. The quota system favours big industrial trawlers while penalizing small, sustainable inshore fishing communities who are denied quotas. 2. SUPPORTING SUSTAINABILITY Left to their own devices, fishermen will catch too many fish. Europe would end up like Canada in the 1990s when the cod stocks were all but wiped out by overfishing. A common European policy is the best way to manage European fish reserves and protect the marine environment, by imposing quotas and preventing catches of immature fish. Scientists estimate 29 of the 33 most important commercial fish species are overfished, so there is a pressing need to maintain and expand the protection offered by the CFP. 3. WASTE CFP rules force fishermen to dump billions of dead fish because they are too small or the wrong species. An FAO study estimates discards in the North Atlantic at 1.3 tonnes a years, 13 percent of the catch, with even higher rates off the coasts of Scotland and Ireland. This is an absurd waste and it has to be changed. 3. PROTECTING FISH, PROTECTS FISHERMEN The Common Fisheries Policy provides long-term support for fishing communities by ensuring stocks are managed in a sustainable manner. Through the CFP, fishermen receive state-of-the-art scientific advice and support. The 4.3 billion European Fisheries Fund backs reform and modernization. The EU helps ensure fair prices for fishermen with a support system to ensure minimum prices. That all helps protect 335,000 jobs in the fisheries sector. When necessary, support is given for uneconomic vessels to be de-commissioned and fishermen to be re-trained for other careers. The CFP provides crucial support for aquaculture which already represents 18 percent of EU fish production and employs 65,000 people. CFP common standards ensures consumers are protected and food quality is high. 4. HURTING DEVELOPING COUNTRIES European fisheries policies are disastrous for neighbouring countries. Under the CFP, the EU bullies and bribes poor countries into opening their waters to predatory European factory ships. The EU fleet now takes around 40 percent of its catch by weight from the waters of so-called partner countries. That threatens the livelihoods of 1.5 million small fishermen in West Africa. They are turning to smuggling emigrants instead, while their Somali counterparts are forced into piracy. 4. THIRD COUNTRY NEGOTIATIONS By acting a whole, the EU can negotiate advantageous agreements with third countries enabling, properly regulated European vessels to fish in their waters. EU boats catch only fish that are surplus to local fishermens needs meaning the agreements are beneficial for both sides. Bilateral agreements alone provide direct employment for some 40,000 EU workers, and fishing opportunities for around 3,000 boats.

[Wolfstone]

WrightStuff, on 05 Jul 2016 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

Acidpopstar, on 04 Jul 2016 - 9:21 PM, said:

 

Wolfstone, on 04 Jul 2016 - 7:06 PM, said:

70% of those that voted. But if turnout from that age group were low then 70% of a low number is an even lower number.

No, as I said in my first post - 70% of young people age 18-25 voted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

 

Hi

 

Is there a link to this data ? Ta.

 

 

 

Everywhere I look the turnout for that age group is estimated to have been only 36%.  

 

http://www.independe...e-a7105396.html

 

 

So 70% of a 36% turnout means that only 1 in 4 (or 25%) of that age group voted to Remain.  Lazy idle barstewards.   

Edited by Wolfstone, 07 July 2016 - 05:39 PM.

[oblomov]

https://www.youtube....h?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

Edited by oblomov, 07 July 2016 - 07:48 PM.

[LY_Scott]

ghand, on 06 Jul 2016 - 5:42 PM, said:

I aggre it was killed off like my glass industry was by the bloody unions striking for more pay a every week. Don't get me going on unions 😂 They got our glass works labourers wages up to the same level as skilled tradesmen over the years. £38k a year for pressing a few buttons or driving a fork truck and then wonder why all the jobs went. But we are talking about the recent steel problem and China I think. Yes the government agreed but that doesn't help the lost fishing jobs and maybe they got out voted, bit like they have just been out voted over the latest port regulations which would have started to ruin our ports. 5/8 Mmmmm, Is that an ordinary mile or a nautical mile ? 😂😂😂😂😂

Have a read of the link I posted sir.

[oblomov]

I belong to a forum where another member is a senior manager of a Spanish fishing fleet.  They've been fishing the west coast of Africa for twenty or more years that I'm aware of and there is nothing in place to monitor what they do or how much they catch..  Local fishermen there struggle to catch enough fish to live on now, never mind to sell to make a living.

ghand, on 06 Jul 2016 - 8:10 PM, said:

Somthing fishy Scot, For and against. 😂 4. HURTING DEVELOPING COUNTRIES European fisheries policies are disastrous for neighbouring countries. Under the CFP, the EU bullies and bribes poor countries into opening their waters to predatory European factory ships. The EU fleet now takes around 40 percent of its catch by weight from the waters of so-called partner countries. That threatens the livelihoods of 1.5 million small fishermen in West Africa. They are turning to smuggling emigrants instead, while their Somali counterparts are forced into piracy.I'm a member of a forum where oanother member is a manager

 

[KurtVerbose]

oblomov, on 08 Jul 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

I belong to a forum where another member is a senior manager of a Spanish fishing fleet.  They've been fishing the west coast of Africa for twenty or more years that I'm aware of and there is nothing in place to monitor what they do or how much they catch..  Local fishermen there struggle to catch enough fish to live on now, never mind to sell to make a living.

ghand, on 06 Jul 2016 - 8:10 PM, said:

Somthing fishy Scot, For and against. 😂 4. HURTING DEVELOPING COUNTRIES European fisheries policies are disastrous for neighbouring countries. Under the CFP, the EU bullies and bribes poor countries into opening their waters to predatory European factory ships. The EU fleet now takes around 40 percent of its catch by weight from the waters of so-called partner countries. That threatens the livelihoods of 1.5 million small fishermen in West Africa. They are turning to smuggling emigrants instead, while their Somali counterparts are forced into piracy.I'm a member of a forum where oanother member is a manager

 

 

I agree, first world fishing fleets ruining third world fish stocks, industry and livelyhoods is awful. How is leaving the EU going to stop that?

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

like I said we need first contact.

 

ET where are you

[techieboy]

Why? Are you hoping he'll sign a trade deal quickly?

[siztenboots]

is this thread still going, almost as bad as the Scottish Braveheart one.

 

So if I call someone on here a doodah, then does it get locked....

[Wolfstone]

Nope....but if you ask a question about a stripe on an Exige it'll mysteriously disappear.

[Stevie Dubyah]

Wolfstone, on 08 Jul 2016 - 2:20 PM, said:

Nope....but if you ask a question about a stripe on an Exige it'll mysteriously disappear.

 

I am amazed you didn't try and drag it back onto that fcuking TV!

[Madmitch]

I'm back, under the wire and over the wall without any problem, in fact everyone was really nice despite our French plates all that.  I lost count of the number of people who wanted to know what we were going to do now, I lost count of the number of people who thought the leave vote was a disaster and honestly, I didn't meet one person who thought it was great, not one.

 

So, yesterdays heroes who were going to lead us into the sunny uplands of Outland, Boris and Nick, have resigned and run away because we are now in a complete mess with no plan and they don't want to be tarred with failing to solve the problem.  Somebody please tell me what happens next..........................  

[jonnyboy]

Where have you been madmitch? Sorry if it's mentioned earlier in the thread. I've had a few American customers taking advantage of our battered currency they normally like to call for a chat the US customers so although it's a small cross section the three I have spoken to were all dumbfounded as to why the vote went the way it did. I predicted we would be busy in the aftermath as the weakening pound wasn't rocket science to foresee but the longer term outlook I'm afraid is very bad. The downturn will be a self fulfilling prophecy. The papers that brainwashed people for the vote are now reporting every negative bit of news. People in business will become more cautious nobody will want to commit to any big purchases. I had a customer today that works in shipping they have seen a huge downturn in business with many international shippers actually relocating onto the continent or making plans to do so. This whole fiasco will be a load of old bother for 10 years now just to end up as associate members fully signed up for free movement. The pointlessness of the whole thing is frustrating. People at the top as ever will be OK it's the working classes that swung the vote that will pay to flush migrants out of their town with their own jobs. Sweet irony.

[Madmitch]

jonnyboy, on 08 Jul 2016 - 6:06 PM, said:

Where have you been madmitch? Sorry if it's mentioned earlier in the thread. I've had a few American customers taking advantage of our battered currency they normally like to call for a chat the US customers so although it's a small cross section the three I have spoken to were all dumbfounded as to why the vote went the way it did. I predicted we would be busy in the aftermath as the weakening pound wasn't rocket science to foresee but the longer term outlook I'm afraid is very bad. The downturn will be a self fulfilling prophecy. The papers that brainwashed people for the vote are now reporting every negative bit of news. People in business will become more cautious nobody will want to commit to any big purchases. I had a customer today that works in shipping they have seen a huge downturn in business with many international shippers actually relocating onto the continent or making plans to do so. This whole fiasco will be a load of old bother for 10 years now just to end up as associate members fully signed up for free movement. The pointlessness of the whole thing is frustrating. People at the top as ever will be OK it's the working classes that swung the vote that will pay to flush migrants out of their town with their own jobs. Sweet irony.

 

We came back to the UK for a family wedding.  Really enjoyed the visit, proper eggs and home cured bacon, microbrewery beer and cider, perfect sunny weather for the weekend, it was wonderful - but the traffic, dreadful, like the roads!  At the wedding were two of the youngsters in our family, both work in research, one at Bristol University and the other at Oxford University, both say they expect to see a massive cut in funding as most of their money comes from the EU.  And everybody so dismal, but hey, it's only 'Project Fear'!! 

Edited by Madmitch, 08 July 2016 - 07:44 PM.

[Harry Hornet]

siztenboots, on 08 Jul 2016 - 1:54 PM, said:

is this thread still going, almost as bad as the Scottish Braveheart one.

 

So if I call someone on here a doodah, then does it get locked....

 

I have asked twice for this thread to be locked to the Mods as I was the original perpertrator...to no avail..

 

Madmitch, on 08 Jul 2016 - 5:35 PM, said:

 

 we are now in a complete mess with no plan and they don't want to be tarred with failing to solve the problem.  Somebody please tell me what happens next..........................  

 

..dont worry Mitch, there is a cunning plan........Baldrick has been called up to sort it all out.....

Edited by Harry Hornet, 09 July 2016 - 06:20 AM.

[Kieran McC]

Its not all doom and gloom we have had our best month in business so far this year    

[smiley]

The US had their brexit in 1776. They have been fine.

Just give it time.

[techieboy]

smiley, on 09 Jul 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

The US had their brexit in 1776. They have been fine. Just give it time.

Well, they did have a rather messy civil war after that and judging by the current state of race relations, it hasn't been all good.