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[C8RKH]

@JG just because there is no "political support" and therefore no parliamentary backing for no deal that does not mean it does not have backing. As I said, plenty of people I know would back it and whilst we are on that subject the referendum was for the people and the decision was made by the people not the fcuking dim witted self serving bar stewards in Westminster. There is a difference between what the people want and what the politicians want us to have and this has always been the same.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right, you are correct, but only time will tell if the decision to leave the EU was wrong, unless of course you have a crystal ball or a DeLorean with a flux converter and you're back from the future to enlighten us?  Why do you Remainers all believe you know the future?

 

PAULCP raises some good points. You only need to look now, that a deal is near, how the self service Nations are starting to shout and scream and demand what they want (Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, France) from the UK in return for us leaving. Well, I'm not as polite as Paul re these matters and they can just go and fcuk right off and stick their "deal" right up their self service asses.  I never wanted "no deal" but their behaviour and frankly bullying style has pushed me over the edge. And you want to stay a part of a club that behaves like that?  No thanks. The EU is dying as a common trading block. Someone said earlier that we were finished as a global power, well, you better believe that the EU is going the toilet just as fast. They might be slightly behind us in the U bend but they are sliding down like the big turd they are non the less.  They are stuck in the past and even more colonial than the Brits...  That's hard to believe but true.

[JG]

Just to be clear, my issue isn’t with brexit per se.

My issue is the cost in time and resource given that no satisfactory outcome of Brexit is possible.

An more confident Brexit, earlier, the type which (though it has some fundamental flaws) ex Australian PM Tony Abbot was encouraging in the Spectator last month, might have been palatable. It was never possible though because the brexit majority was far too slim and it wasn’t on that basis that the Leave camp campaigned. In my view it’s too late for it now, not least because the relative strength of each party is already decided.
https://www.spectato...to-save-brexit/

[C8RKH]

That's fair enough @JG but the cost, time and resource is a direct result of the incompetence and self gratification of our politicians and at the next general election they need to feel the pain of the people.

[Foxy]

A second vote *should* absolutely be out of the question.

I hate to think of the uprising if the vote were reversed.

...and what would you say if a second had the same outcome?

[C8RKH]

The  Remainers would just ask for a 3rd, and a 4th and so on. Same as SNP in Scotland

[Nev]

Hey, what happened to Harry Hornet (who raised this thread)? One minute he was here baffling us all with his poor grammar and irritating full stops............................. and then suddenly gone?

 

In fact, what ever happened to Techie, another one who just disappeared?

Edited by Nev, 24 November 2018 - 05:17 PM.

[JG]

A second vote *should* absolutely be out of the question.

I hate to think of the uprising if the vote were reversed.

...and what would you say if a second had the same outcome?

 

I think a new vote is absolutely necessary, because the terms of the first one have changed. 

 

the outcome will be the outcome. The loosing side will demand a new vote as per the SNP. 

 

A no deal brexit vote would give credence to the sort of methodologies set out in the above link.  A remain vote (which has to feature, only because the current deal is so awful) would cause some unrest no doubt. A small price to pay for not having to deal with 30 years of brexitism  

[Jetpilot]

I think it goes to show exactly what the EU thinks of the UK and probably any other of the countries that will eventually go to the referendum, roughly 50% of its voting public wanted to leave, they dont give a sh*t and have no interest in trying to keep relations open except on their terms, the same as when Dave tried to negotiate some concessions to membership to keep us away from a vote, they just want control, nothing more, nothing less and so far and including the news today that May has folded on Spain/Gib because of their threats, she is just bending us all over for the EU. I bet they are pissing themselves at just how weak we are.

[jonnyboy]

A second vote *should* absolutely be out of the question.

I hate to think of the uprising if the vote were reversed.

...and what would you say if a second had the same outcome?

Uprising from who? This mess is a will of only half of the people (that voted)

[C8RKH]

 

A second vote *should* absolutely be out of the question.

I hate to think of the uprising if the vote were reversed.

...and what would you say if a second had the same outcome?

Uprising from who? This mess is a will of only half of the people (that voted)

 

I'm getting tired of this "only half the people" nonsense. It makes no difference what percentage, a simple majority is all that was needed and that was what was achieved. So let's stop playing with words etc.

 

The fact is that if the UK politicians really gave a sh*t about the will of the people then regardless of their party allegiances they would have got behind this and I am damn sure the outcome would be better than what we have now. This is the one thing that Remainers need to accept is that their two years of whinging, whining and trying to subvert the vote will be what really costs us the best deal possible. The easiest way to win a negotiation is to get the other side to argue amongst itself and most dumbshit Remainers just don't get it and despite all the words all they really want is for it to be forgotten and for us to return to the status quo like it was all a bad dream.  Bonkers. Totally bonkers. Even more so than being a Brexiteer...

[ianrm]

The public that voted have no say in the outcome of Brexit and how we proceed with this mess. 

 

It is purely down to politicians, all who have their own agendas.

[casino]

Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never leaving never staying on an never ending deal..
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.

[hairy]

Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never leaving never staying on an never ending deal..
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.

 

Never ending or beginning on an ever-spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes on its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind

Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving in a half-forgotten dream
Like the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes on its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind

Keys that jingle in your pocket, words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly?
Was it something that you said?
Lovers walk along a shore and leave their footprints in the sand
Was the sound of distant drumming Just the fingers of your hand?

Pictures hanging in a hallway and the fragment of a song
Half-remembered names and faces, but to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning to the colour of her hair!
Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever-spinning reel
As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind

Found on these albums

[Foxy]

A second vote *should* absolutely be out of the question.

I hate to think of the uprising if the vote were reversed.

...and what would you say if a second had the same outcome?

Uprising from who? This mess is a will of only half of the people (that voted)

Well, only about 17 million people.

[Foxy]

I think it goes to show exactly what the EU thinks of the UK and probably any other of the countries that will eventually go to the referendum, roughly 50% of its voting public wanted to leave, they dont give a shit and have no interest in trying to keep relations open except on their terms, the same as when Dave tried to negotiate some concessions to membership to keep us away from a vote, they just want control, nothing more, nothing less and so far and including the news today that May has folded on Spain/Gib because of their threats, she is just bending us all over for the EU. I bet they are pissing themselves at just how weak we are.

Yup.

[Foxy]

A second vote *should* absolutely be out of the question.

I hate to think of the uprising if the vote were reversed.

...and what would you say if a second had the same outcome?

Uprising from who? This mess is a will of only half of the people (that voted)

I'm getting tired of this "only half the people" nonsense. It makes no difference what percentage, a simple majority is all that was needed and that was what was achieved. So let's stop playing with words etc.

The fact is that if the UK politicians really gave a shit about the will of the people then regardless of their party allegiances they would have got behind this and I am damn sure the outcome would be better than what we have now. This is the one thing that Remainers need to accept is that their two years of whinging, whining and trying to subvert the vote will be what really costs us the best deal possible. The easiest way to win a negotiation is to get the other side to argue amongst itself and most dumbshit Remainers just don't get it and despite all the words all they really want is for it to be forgotten and for us to return to the status quo like it was all a bad dream. Bonkers. Totally bonkers. Even more so than being a Brexiteer...

I don’t like the “dumbshit remainers” bit, but yes, I’d go along with the rest 👍🏼

[casino]

Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never leaving never staying on an never ending deal..
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.

Never ending or beginning on an ever-spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes on its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind

Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving in a half-forgotten dream
Like the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes on its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind

Keys that jingle in your pocket, words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly?
Was it something that you said?
Lovers walk along a shore and leave their footprints in the sand
Was the sound of distant drumming Just the fingers of your hand?

Pictures hanging in a hallway and the fragment of a song
Half-remembered names and faces, but to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning to the colour of her hair!
Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever-spinning reel
As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind Found on these albums

The Thomas Crown affair. In case the younger members of .Org were wondering.

[PaulCP]

including the news today that May has folded on Spain/Gib because of their threats, she is just bending us all over for the EU.

Only if you believe, or want to believe the biased crap reporting coming from the media again.
The Spanish PM claims he has scored a major victory after 7 days of intense negotiation.
1st fact, no one in Spain has any intense negotiation in any subject, I’ve worked, lived there & was there this last week on a legal matter
2nd fact, The Spanish PM is not popular and his party are losing ground, he needs to try to convince the Spanish people that he is worthy for his own future - Typical politician anyone?
3rd fact, The document being referred to is a combination of 2 documents agreed over 2 years ago

Believe the lazy biased press if you want to!

A second vote *should* absolutely be out of the question.
I hate to think of the uprising if the vote were reversed.
...and what would you say if a second had the same outcome?

I think a new vote is absolutely necessary, because the terms of the first one have changed.

the outcome will be the outcome. The loosing side will demand a new vote as per the SNP.

A no deal brexit vote would give credence to the sort of methodologies set out in the above link. A remain vote (which has to feature, only because the current deal is so awful) would cause some unrest no doubt. A small price to pay for not having to deal with 30 years of brexitism

A second vote is always going to be a difficult decision but there is one particular merit in this case. Parliament has the right to veto the deal but, as many have agreed, MPs no longer represent the people who elect then for the good of the country, they merely represent themselves and their vested ambitions.
WTF was Boris allowed to address the DUP Party meeting in the last day or so, does he now want to join the DUP and fight for Northern Ireland or was he after scoring points for his own selfish purposes?

Another referendum can only be 3 way
- Leave no deal
- Remain as before
- Leave on current deal

Leaving Parliament to decide will not represent democracy in a House where everyone only ever considers their own interests, is nothing more than a school playground where people call each other names and constructive discussion and debate is totally a thing of the past

Edited by PaulCP, 25 November 2018 - 09:43 AM.

[oblomov]

I'm waiting for a letter...

[casino]

You know who the real criminals in all this are? When the dust finally settles...when the deal is finally dun and dusted..

It’s the Euro loving Tusk and his henchmen who didn’t know when to stop trying to make Europe a single state.

The ones over the water that pushed and twisted arms until the British Public had enough. So much so they voted out from control of Europe.

I voted remain but given a 2nd vote I’d vote leave because of the way they have acted over the past 2 years.