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[jules_s]

So, After many weeks, many forums, many favours asked and daily messing around I've got IE9 working here again. If I meet a MS employee again I'm going to throttle them. If it breaks again I'm going to go all Rambo on the lot of them.... Ahhhhhh ^^^^ smilies/able to post again

[jules_s]

Now to work out the HP e: drive partition issues

[turbobob]

This fcuking horse meat 'scandal'. I really don't give a fcuk about it. It's not fcuking dangerous. Why the big fcuking issue? fcuk me, the 'beef' that is in beef burgers is a right load of sh*t. Mechanically recovered crap. I don't buy the cheap burgers, I tend to make my own. But if I did buy them I'd rather have horse meat that the mechanically recovered crap.

[LY_Scott]

I think the issue is the dishonesty Bob. Horsemeat isn't going to kill anyone but it shouldn't claim to be something it's not. What's next cutting back on cleaning staff? Mutton is quite cheap..shove that in there etc? Its the cutting corners and shoddyness of the companys in pursuit of profit. The chain of farmer to supermarket is pretty important to audit. Another reason to buy from a trusted local butcher. Not that they're without their flaws either.

[turbobob]

Like I said Scott, I'd rather have horse meat than mechanically recovered cow product. Would you say that mechanically recovered tissue is ok to be classed as beef?

[ArticMonkey]

Like I said Scott, I'd rather have horse meat than mechanically recovered cow product. Would you say that mechanically recovered tissue is ok to be classed as beef?

Well yes. If it's from a cow its beef!

Please don't reference MMG in your response.

[LY_Scott]

Nope, but it says what it is and it's your choice to eat it or not. The problem with the horse thing is someone at some point has decided it would be fine to buy horsemeat from the abattoir and cut it into the beef. My understanding is that beef is tested and stamped as healthy for human consumption before it enters the food chain. Where was the horsemeat coming from? and what testing was it subject to? The fact that its inclusion was hidden means it didn't need to pass any testing, I'm not sure there would be standards for testing horse carcases to be fit for human consumption either in this country or Ireland as we don't eat it. Its the dishonesty that concerns me and the worry of what else they were up to since they were getting away with it.

[turbobob]

Lifted from Wikipedia - Mechanically separated meat (MSM), mechanically recovered/reclaimed meat (MRM), or mechanically deboned meat (MDM) is a paste-like meat product produced by forcing beef, pork, turkey or chicken, under high pressure through a sieve or similar device to separate the bone from the edible meat tissue. It is sometimes called "white slime" as an analog to pink slime and to meat extracted by advanced meat recovery systems, both of which are different processes.^[1] The process is controversial; Forbes, for example, called it a "not-so-appetizing meat production process".^[2]

Also from wikipedia - "Beef is the culinary name for meat from bovines, especially cattle. Beef can be harvested from cows, bulls, heifers or steers."

So, you still think its ok to refer to it as beef?

[Mangham54]

Like I said Scott, I'd rather have horse meat than mechanically recovered cow product. Would you say that mechanically recovered tissue is ok to be classed as beef?

I couldn't care less what meat it is/was. The bit that concerns me most is the idea that whatever has ended up in there, should not be there. That means that there is no real control over the source of origin. That means that it could be from an animal that is not fit for human consumption.

I also think for the food standards agency to say 'there is no evidence to say that the meat is not safe', paints it's own, very dark, picture. In essence they suspect that their is a risk, but that it has not yet been found.

As foul as mechanically reclaimed meat is it is still from an animal that has been deemed fit for human consumption. There is a risk, albeit a small one, that the horses that have ended up in the food system are peoples pride and joy, as horse theft seems to be ever increasing. Worse still the animals have been produced with untested or now illegal growth enhancers in a black market whose sole intention is to profiteer, without recourse for animal cruelty or illegal animal doping.

Having worked in the food sector I know that 'source of origin' information was imperative and breaches to quality control could have serious outcomes.

[LY_Scott]

[turbobob]

So far, as far as I can ascertain, traceability has been maintained. Can you definitively say that mechanically recovered product has no traces of nervous tissue?

[Mangham54]

So far, as far as I can ascertain, traceability has been maintained.

Can you definitively say that mechanically recovered product has no traces of nervous tissue?

But then the same issue will still stand with whatever creature has been put into the blender. So not only is there grim additions that comes with reclaimed meat, but that reclaimed meat is from an 'unknown' source.

My understanding is that there is an attempt by our authorities to promote the notion that the horse that has ended up in the system is traceable - whether or not that is the case.

Unfortunately it is not in the governments interest for this to really go sour, they want to be seen to be thorough. If the meat was 'dangerous to health', then think of the cost to Tesco, the FSA and all other companies it will inevitably effect is very severe indeed. Though it could help UK farming in the long-run, there is a huge liability heading directly at one of the UK's most treasured industries (and tax providers).

Edited by Mangham54, 11 February 2013 - 01:43 PM.

[Harry Hornet]

Horsemeat isn't going to kill anyone but it shouldn't claim to be something it's not.

From first hand experience when putting a horse down, if the horse has had "any" kind of recent vetenary background or history then even in this country the meat isnt fit for purpose to be fed to hounds let alone human consumption.

As many people have said, all food produce should be traceable when sold, remember there were cases of human BSe

thats my twopence worth

HH

[Stevie Dubyah]

This fcuking horse meat 'scandal'. I really don't give a fcuk about it. It's not fcuking dangerous. Why the big fcuking issue? fcuk me, the 'beef' that is in beef burgers is a right load of sh*t. Mechanically recovered crap.

I don't buy the cheap burgers, I tend to make my own. But if I did buy them I'd rather have horse meat that the mechanically recovered crap.

If you find the cheap burgers unpalatable, Bob, try the individual beef goujons. I hear they are the dog's bollocks!

[Harry Hornet]

and we have been told that only one kid should blow the candles out on a birthday cake incase of spreading germs...wtf next? anyway, in my day if anybody else had blown my candles out I would have punched them

[rob999]

Sing Date. Not even started yet on Sky something but I hate it already.

[The Batman]

Getting Caught speeding by a copper with a gun basically hiding in a tree with his car behind bushes

[Wolfstone]

sh*t Joe. What speed and what limit?

[The Batman]

No comment. My first points

Edited by joe_589, 12 February 2013 - 10:18 PM.

[Boombang]

Women. My shiny new HD box has arrived but I can't use it as she's got hundreds of hours of crap recorded and needs to watch it. That and she wants babies.