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[Zuber]

I don't disagree at all, its more the point that people assume that teachers do not work 9-5 like the rest of us...and get paid generally a lot less!

 

A lot less than whom ? It's all relative.

 

Also on the plus side, you can be really rubbish but they can't get rid of you. Or it seems that way from where I'm standing.

 

There are a significant number of really poor teachers (as well as good/competent ones). But they are able to keep on teaching for years without any effort to improve. You can't get rid of them.

 

Suggesting they improve/complaining gets their backs up, puts you in their bad books. Teachers/staff close ranks. They manage to do a great job while being supervised but go back to being crap again once the inspectors/headmaster walks out of the room.

 

I guess that falls under the 'Things that get your tits up'.

 

Just to add, I have family members that are teachers. They too get cheesed by bad teachers, but the bad teachers are still there...

Edited by Zuber, 20 May 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[coldel]

I helped out at a good local school, there generally aren't bad teachers at that particular school, but you are right you can't fire them but you can manage them out the system like any other business and that requires a good head teacher who has good heads of departments. 

 

I think we all know people who are teachers, until you have had to stand there and experience the pressure of teaching, it's much more difficult to truly appreciate the stresses and demands involved. I could quite easily say racing drivers have it easy tanking a car round a track once a week or that GP's just sit at desks reading answers from a book, but what do I know? The classic example around teaching is the farce of the English results recently, which was absurd by the government and should never have happened.

 

Anyway, unnecessary digressing...!

 

Back to the original point, another one:

 

Digressing on threads 

 

[LY_Scott]

I don't disagree at all, its more the point that people assume that teachers do not work 9-5 like the rest of us...and get paid generally a lot less!

I don't work 9-5 i generally work all hours that the job requires. I get paid well and thems the breaks. I don't moan constantly about a career i chose for myself. I also don't get the whole summer off and weeks at various other points in the year What gets on my tits? Teachers, moaning.

[KurtVerbose]

Kids get on my tits, so grateful to teachers for keeping them in an institution most of the day.

 

Seriously, why do people have kids? I don't hate them but find them boring and annoying.

[Wolfstone]

I would like to add Embassys.  Robbing doodahs

 

Hope you're not referring to British Embassies Goose! 

[Goosenka]

I would like to add Embassys.  Robbing doodahs

  Hope you're not referring to British Embassies Goose! 

You know my feelings....this time Italian and French. 4 months to get a fuxking Shengen. Absurd when these countries are dieing on their arses.

[Wolfstone]

 

 

I would like to add Embassys.  Robbing doodahs

  Hope you're not referring to British Embassies Goose! 

You know my feelings....this time Italian and French. 4 months to get a fuxking Shengen. Absurd when these countries are dieing on their arses.

 

 

Fair enough.  By the way did I ever send you the bill for my consultancy / advisory services?   

[Goosenka]

 

 

I would like to add Embassys.  Robbing doodahs

  Hope you're not referring to British Embassies Goose! 

You know my feelings....this time Italian and French. 4 months to get a fuxking Shengen. Absurd when these countries are dieing on their arses.  

  Fair enough.  By the way did I ever send you the bill for my consultancy / advisory services?   

I think Bob paid it

[Wolfstone]

I think Bob paid it

Yeah, gave me a bloody iPhone.

[Goosenka]

I think Bob paid it

Yeah, gave me a bloody iPhone.

There ya go

[turbobob]

wtf. I'd never poison even my worst enemy by giving them an iDisease

[spuk87]

wtf. I'd never poison even my worst enemy by giving them an iDisease

You can catch all sorts of iDisease from squicking Bob, so be careful.

[spuk87]

Kids get on my tits, so grateful to teachers for keeping them in an institution most of the day.

 

Seriously, why do people have kids? I don't hate them but find them boring and annoying.

. Same. I think I'm missing that bit of brain that makes people want children, and also the bit about how to speak to them. I literally find it much easier to hold a conversation with a dog than an under 16 year-old.

[KurtVerbose]

I think I'm missing that bit of brain that makes people want children

 

I had it, but it was destroyed by alcohol, as was the proper functioning of the equipment needed to create kids!

 

 

[coldel]

 

I don't disagree at all, its more the point that people assume that teachers do not work 9-5 like the rest of us...and get paid generally a lot less!

I don't work 9-5 i generally work all hours that the job requires. I get paid well and thems the breaks. I don't moan constantly about a career i chose for myself. I also don't get the whole summer off and weeks at various other points in the year What gets on my tits? Teachers, moaning.

 

 

I think you will find its not the teachers moaning its the unions making a pain of themselves - there are lots of unions, its usually only the militant TUC that ends up 'moaning' about everything and striking. 

 

Its a shame the media jazz all this up and paint a picture of people who hate teaching and people just soak it up without reading the real story. 

[LY_Scott]

Are the teachers not in the unions?

[coldel]

Most teachers are in unions, but not because they want a forum to moan, its because if they don't then they are wide open to legal action by parents and children. For a relatively small fee you can join a union who will provide pretty much unlimited legal support in the case of a claim (and the claims are very spurious I have seen), something that would cost a teacher a small fortune to cover themselves even by getting private insurance if they didn't join a union.

 

The union you can join varies depending on what representative you have in your school, there are a few unions, but the school I was at only had two representatives so I could only join one of them, one of the two was the NUT who are the more radical striking mob. In most schools the NUT generally has a presence hence the size of them. 

 

Its just not financially economical not to join a union and you could lose your career just because you lacked legal cover in the case of a claim - so what can you do. 

 

The voting is a joke as well - you can often see a vote for striking appear, you get a 35% turnout and two thirds vote in favour of a strike - so in fact its about 20% out of a possible 100% voting for strikes and this 'all teachers are moaning' that people see in the media, is so far off the mark its untrue.

 

I certainly didn't appreciate a lot of the truths behind teaching that the media aren't interested in reporting until I worked in a school!

[Claws]

Teachers are on amazing money considering the 6weeks off at summer, a week in October, 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks at Easter and all the bank holidays/long weekends inbetween... That's around 3months off, ie, a beast of a salary and pension for only working 9 months of the year

[coldel]

Teachers have to teach up to 28 lessons a week, they have to plan each of those lessons, in the case of new teachers you are planning from scratch. When I was working, it took me about 3-5 hours to plan each 1 hour lesson, fortunately I was only teaching 15 lessons a week so I worked for about 50 hours per week planning and executing, then about 3 hours of admin on top plus about 5 hours of marking per week put it at a guess 60 hours per week. I wouldn't include the after school clubs I ran in that time as well which would take up about 5 hours more. Fortunately being a trainee on top of that I didnt have to organise the budgets, funding, other administration, teacher training courses, strategy and so on and so forth. To manage this you have to work during the holidays otherwise teachers would burn out very quickly. 

 

Just to give you an idea of a training teachers salary (its so far from a beast it really is), what I got paid a month was the same as what I got paid for 3 days worth of consultancy time when I left teaching and got back into consumer research. The pension is the only financial benefit a teacher has is the pension, which got cut anyway and in all likelihood could be quite a lot lower by the time you get to claim it. 

 

I guess the question that comes back is, if its such an easy life, why doesn't everyone become a teacher?

[Claws]

Not being a fan of kids probably ranks as number 1 reason Some of my reasons: Fixed location of work Standing talking at a class No van Tweed blazers with leather elbow patches Lack of excitement Leaving school to go back to school Brat kids Crappy parents Lack of flexibility re: breaks/lunch Other teachers