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[The Knobs]

Surely if its taking this long to develope, then the design problems that are apparent to everyone are still the major issue? ie space and cold air. Why havent any other tuners gone the tb route? I would assume because they realise its not as easy as it appears. Well if we buy another vx, which is very possible, it will be a sc na or vxr. I just cant see how the tb's are going to be better without serious mods and serious revs. Then again it may be an Exige or Exige blower

[Thorney]

Surely if its taking this long to develope, then the design problems that are apparent to everyone are still the major issue? ie space and cold air. Why havent any other tuners gone the tb route? I would assume because they realise its not as easy as it appears.

Why the time?
I'd like to think we've done it right, we tend not to rush things to market.

Why no other tuner trying this?
Yes, its the hardest method but the purest for the car in terms of power delivery. The VX220 market is also very small and we're the only specialist so makes sense for us to commit the finance to do it where it might not for other tuners who's VX220 business is relatively small.

[NickB787]

The bottom line here is that I wouldn't be doing it unless I thought (IMO of course) that it would annihilate a SC VX220 in every shape and form.

Yea but what about and Exige S

[minime]

in order to annilate a supercharged vx wouldnt you need to uprate the pistons/rods and crank? and also what max rpm? you might need to be around 7500-8000rpm! it is going to be interesting seeing a sc conversion thrashed!

[MikeS]

Maybe there should be a Vs on the RR at TMS to see which is the overall winner in terms of BHP :)Or we could even do it as part of the national and pit SamH Vs Rubber.

Why ? Rolling road won't tell you anything apart from who's got the most power, which tbh isn't relevant unless you're in it for the pub pissing contest. I'd be more interested in which is the more driveable car on the road and then ultimately with the same driver and same setups in terms of brakes suspension & tyres, which is the quickest round a track, seeing as how having all the power in the world won't matter if the car or driver can't handle it (ie: it's not the car, it's the driver).

Roll on Saturday, I'm sure it'll be interesting for all to see Ian's car finally break cover, although of everybody I'm sure Ian will be the happiest just to get his car back

[SteV6]

Why havent any other tuners gone the tb route? I would assume because they realise its not as easy as it appears.

Oh yes there are! We have seen a topic with an Italian TB-setup and 250bhp. And in Holland Kronenburg has a TB-kit developed for the 2.2 for racing and are with a second partner testing to make the kit fit the Speedster. Goal 200 bhp by using TB, manifolds, ECU and exhaust ...

SteV6

[minime]

heard through the grapevine that the tms throttle bodies wont be ready for the nationals....thats over a year ! i had asked a company over 18months ago about a setup and they told me it would be around 8 weeks to develop a kit...and that included the ecu

[njc11]

heard through the grapevine that the tms throttle bodies wont be ready for the nationals....thats over a year ! i had asked a company over 18months ago about a setup and they told me it would be around 8 weeks to develop a kit...and that included the ecu

Can i just ask... why do you always have to make snide remarks / digs towards this new set up & TMS??? You like Regal & Courtenay, so what each to there own!

Surely is got to be worth waiting for?? so why keep putting it down? Its ready when its ready..

I'd rather the set up was spot on than have to keep takeing back!

When it was announced last year throttle bodies were being developed and the kit would be ready before Xmas.. i was very optomistic that, that would be achieved! I was right yes, but im still looking forward to seeing the result..

Nick

[coopa]

heard through the grapevine that the tms throttle bodies wont be ready for the nationals.

[MikeF]

heard through the grapevine that the tms throttle bodies wont be ready for the nationals....thats over a year ! i had asked a company over 18months ago about a setup and they told me it would be around 8 weeks to develop a kit...and that included the ecu

its my fault there is no throttle bodies ready for the national (yes i'm a bad man), but john has concentrated on getting my stage 5 finished (which i have tortured him over )

so i would like to apologise to all those people that wanted to see the TB's - its my fault

[Thorney]

heard through the grapevine that the tms throttle bodies wont be ready for the nationals....thats over a year ! i had asked a company over 18months ago about a setup and they told me it would be around 8 weeks to develop a kit...and that included the ecu

I appreciate your support mate.

So another company, you spoke to said they could do something else and they said it would take 8 weeks. And that proves what exactly?

I've said on numerous occasions that we're very deliberate in our development and I'd rather upset 1000 potential customers by things being late than 1 customer when we've fitted it and got it wrong, if you disagree with that policy then fair enough but I think its the right one and am not about to change it just because you don't like it.

We've also been pretty unlucky with delays on the car which we didn't know about, issues on manifilds which turned out not to be a problem and the fact that we're working with the industry leader in TB design and strangely enough they're just as busy as we are.

Finally we're also very aware that customers come first, if I have a choice of finishing a customers car and getting them mobile again or sorting their problems then frankly that will always take priority over development work, I'd imagine you'd be the first to post if we had your car here (heaven forbid ) and I rang you up and said "minime mate, you're car won't be done for the National cos we've been finishing off the development work on the TB kit, would you mind waiting another week?"

This week I've wanted to finish MikeF's car and Quick and Dirty's car so they could both come to the national, that has meant that my own car (complete with roller bearing turbo that is the first application of this kind anywhere) will not be finished and due to dealys at Webcons end has meant that is is 'possible' that the TB car won't be either. Am I sorry about that - yes, too bloody right I am but am I sorry I put our customers first no, and I'm not about to change that policy.

[MikeF]

heard through the grapevine that the tms throttle bodies wont be ready for the nationals....thats over a year ! i had asked a company over 18months ago about a setup and they told me it would be around 8 weeks to develop a kit...and that included the ecu

I appreciate your support mate.

So another company, you spoke to said they could do something else and they said it would take 8 weeks. And that proves what exactly?

I've said on numerous occasions that we're very deliberate in our development and I'd rather upset 1000 potential customers by things being late than 1 customer when we've fitted it and got it wrong, if you disagree with that policy then fair enough but I think its the right one and am not about to change it just because you don't like it.

We've also been pretty unlucky with delays on the car which we didn't know about, issues on manifilds which turned out not to be a problem and the fact that we're working with the industry leader in TB design and strangely enough they're just as busy as we are.

Finally we're also very aware that customers come first, if I have a choice of finishing a customers car and getting them mobile again or sorting their problems then frankly that will always take priority over development work, I'd imagine you'd be the first to post if we had your car here (heaven forbid ) and I rang you up and said "minime mate, you're car won't be done for the National cos we've been finishing off the development work on the TB kit, would you mind waiting another week?"

This week I've wanted to finish MikeF's car and Quick and Dirty's car so they could both come to the national, that has meant that my own car (complete with roller bearing turbo that is the first application of this kind anywhere) will not be finished and due to dealys at Webcons end has meant that is is 'possible' that the TB car won't be either. Am I sorry about that - yes, too bloody right I am but am I sorry I put our customers first no, and I'm not about to change that policy.

Have you got time to write essays like that?

[Tony_M]

heard through the grapevine that the tms throttle bodies wont be ready for the nationals....thats over a year ! i had asked a company over 18months ago about a setup and they told me it would be around 8 weeks to develop a kit...and that included the ecu

I appreciate your support mate.

So another company, you spoke to said they could do something else and they said it would take 8 weeks. And that proves what exactly?

I've said on numerous occasions that we're very deliberate in our development and I'd rather upset 1000 potential customers by things being late than 1 customer when we've fitted it and got it wrong, if you disagree with that policy then fair enough but I think its the right one and am not about to change it just because you don't like it.

We've also been pretty unlucky with delays on the car which we didn't know about, issues on manifilds which turned out not to be a problem and the fact that we're working with the industry leader in TB design and strangely enough they're just as busy as we are.

Finally we're also very aware that customers come first, if I have a choice of finishing a customers car and getting them mobile again or sorting their problems then frankly that will always take priority over development work, I'd imagine you'd be the first to post if we had your car here (heaven forbid ) and I rang you up and said "minime mate, you're car won't be done for the National cos we've been finishing off the development work on the TB kit, would you mind waiting another week?"

This week I've wanted to finish MikeF's car and Quick and Dirty's car so they could both come to the national, that has meant that my own car (complete with roller bearing turbo that is the first application of this kind anywhere) will not be finished and due to dealys at Webcons end has meant that is is 'possible' that the TB car won't be either. Am I sorry about that - yes, too bloody right I am but am I sorry I put our customers first no, and I'm not about to change that policy.

It will be ready when it's ready nuff said.

[mandarinvx]

I've said on numerous occasions that we're very deliberate in our development and I'd rather upset 1000 potential customers by things being late than 1 customer when we've fitted it and got it wrong, if you disagree with that policy then fair enough but I think its the right one and am not about to change it just because you don't like it.

Ultimate customer service, striving to deliver 100% satisfaction, Utmost Respect!

There are far too many 'companies' out there that are purely in it for the money, with little or no regard for customers or giving feedback, fair play to Thorney (if only everyone would adopt that attitude), what's an extra day/week/month for a fully proven system. It is easy to see that Thorney takes great pride in both his work and his customers

[fluffy]

Yep totally agree with this philosophy. I'd rather buy something that was tested, run, tested again and then tested a 3rd time just to get it spot on rather than buy something that was rushed to market. As an engineer I see entirely where you're coming from. Good for you!

[cheeky_chops]

you all seemed to have forgotten about the poor guy who gave up his own car "until xmas" over 12 months ago....

[VIX]

So there's precisely 4 months to go today!

[cheeky_chops]

http://en.wikipedia....ject_Management

HTH

[Tony_M]

you all seemed to have forgotten about the poor guy who gave up his own car "until xmas" over 12 months ago....

Who's that then













Sorry - Ian - couldn't resist

[ShinyAndy]

http://en.wikipedia....ject_Management

HTH

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