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[Thorney]

the NA is easier to apply power

And thats my point. An FI car is always going to be harder to get the best out of compared to NA due to the power delivery. Like I said this isn't an attack on SC VX's but more of an observation on all engines as regards power delivery.

Point taken on the financial with TB's but you're not comparing like for like, my point was that comparing an FI car to another FI car (SC VX to VXT) the considerations on costs and reverting to standard in resale do hold some validity.

I've no doubt the costs for reverting to standard/resale on a TB car to a SC car would be broadly similar.

[CocoPops]

Plus the noise..... oh the noise!!!!!

[SPLAM]

Plus the noise.....

oh the noise!!!!!

Yes but have you heard a super charged one?


OK I'll leave this thread alone now

[i need nos]

Paulcp and I are doing the same track event in September, so I hope to blag a 'non-competitive' drive

My NA with upgraded suspension, sticky tyres, correct set-up and sorted brakes is as quick/quicker than most VXTs (including modified) as seen at many circuits around the UK

This may be [partly] on account that the NA is easier to apply power, as there is not so much of it.. so I'm very interested in linear delivery...

I'll keep prodding Paulcp for that drive

mick what r u running a sc stage 9?

[CocoPops]

Plus the noise.....

oh the noise!!!!!

Yes but have you heard a super charged one?


OK I'll leave this thread alone now

Yep

the video of paul's on google video is my video from the pax ride at last yrs national

[SPLAM]

Yep

the video of paul's on google video is my video from the pax ride at last yrs national

Oh tits

Edited by SamH, 29 August 2006 - 06:32 PM.

[MAP18W]

the NA is easier to apply power

And thats my point. An FI car is always going to be harder to get the best out of compared to NA due to the power delivery.

However a SC VX is easier to get the best out of than a VXT, becuase it delivers its power in a much more linear fashion to the turbo.

[Jim_Cross]

Well at least 14 pages of this topic has brought an agreement from everyone the VXT really is vastly inferior















Well, someone had to spice it up a bit, was getting a bit friendly in there

[ChazUwe]

Well enough talking about the pro's and con's of each, when are the TB's actually going to be available? What was left to be done to Rubber's car as I gather it was running at the national?

[MikeS]

Paulcp and I are doing the same track event in September, so I hope to blag a 'non-competitive' drive

My NA with upgraded suspension, sticky tyres, correct set-up and sorted brakes is as quick/quicker than most VXTs (including modified) as seen at many circuits around the UK

This may be [partly] on account that the NA is easier to apply power, as there is not so much of it.. so I'm very interested in linear delivery...

I'll keep prodding Paulcp for that drive

mick what r u running a sc stage 9?

As I've said before, it's not just the car, it's the driver. I can easily believe a properly set up NA on sticky tyres & funky suspenders in the hands of a moderately talented driver being quicker than a VXT.

Unless the 'circuit' was a completely straight line, in which case the lardy VXT will always win

[amanda]

I don't want to get but a TB is now off my list & a SC is now firmly on my list! It just didn't seem the same on the track at the national. I may be very wrong but that is my opinion & I am swinging that way

[speedster]

Plus the noise.....

oh the noise!!!!!

This was an important factor in my deliberations.

The NA is running with a mass produced GM 2.2 lump designed to live a lazy life. With that cubic capacity the engine should be well capable of making over 200 BHP without FI. TMS's TB kits are a great step in the right direction and IMO such modifications can only make the NA a very appealing beast. In a few years I predict we will have NA's out there running at 9000 RPM pushing out 260+BHP

[jules_s]

I don't want to get but a TB is now off my list & a SC is now firmly on my list! It just didn't seem the same on the track at the national. I may be very wrong but that is my opinion & I am swinging that way

The jury is still out for me.....gotta say im leaning the same way though atm

To me the 'proper' (rubbers) TB spec is going to set me back 8k...and no offence meant, but that puts me firmly in a VXR price range...with a car worth circa 8k more

meanwhile I could flog the NA and get a stage 2 VXT (done or not) for another 5k. Assuming I would get 12k for mine.

Patience has never been my virtue mind you....but unless I see/experience a TB vx na (that compares in all terms to a vxr or a stage 2 VXT) its a no brainer to me.

[amanda]

They just didn't seem to have the edge on the SC! I know that isn't good to say & I am sorry but that is the truth

Edited by amanda, 29 August 2006 - 10:50 PM.

[i need nos]

just gotta wait a few months and were try and get someone with a s/c someone with t/b and a stage 2 tubbby and set them loose! thats the only way in my eyes to make the comparison, if i waited weeks or months to to see one or the other i would just forget what im comparing to.. my money is still on the ....................

[minime]

for me the sc offers everything! it has the power from very low down and all the way thru to max revs! where as with the a high powered tb powered car you will have to miss out on anything below 3500rpm!

To be fair minime you don't exactly seem to be much of a lover of any of Thorneys stuff


I think jumping to conclusions that the TB car is going to be a nothing/everything cammy beast is a little bit premature and unfair.

sam

if you look at the thread on the throttle body kit that was developed in italy you will read that to get 240+bhp they had cams which had power from 3500-7500! this made me think that a supercharger would be the best bet imo

the tms kit will probably be very good but to get to a level where it will annilate a sc setup you will need to push the power up the rev range... the sc has 200+lbft at around 2000rpm!

[walkes]

TB are never going to produce the same amount of power as a SC or Tubby. Pound for pound force induction wins every time.. However TB would allow you to run in a non FI car class for racing and tuning comps.

[The Knobs]

why not just spend 14K and put a supercharged 300bhp honda in the back, and be done with it?

[garyk220]

My NA with upgraded suspension, sticky tyres, correct set-up and sorted brakes is as quick/quicker than most VXTs (including modified) as seen at many circuits around the UK

* Cough * I can post a speed trace showing how much I was held through the Bomb Hole and Coram Curves and onto the main straight on Saturday if you like?

[Thorney]

I think its a little premature to make comparisons just yet, Rubbers car was far from finished, the throttle cable position was wrong and it was running deliberately rich so there is a lot more work on the mapping to be done. We brought it out to show it actually exists as there are some here who who thought it was all BS - I'm happy to say that they now have egg on their faces. When its finished then make a comparison, until then its just conjecture.